Re: [xmca] FW: Cultural History of Play

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

I am beginning to wonder whether a new sort of special issue on play, or
perhaps just some new articles, for MCA, would be a good idea. What do you
all think? The articles could be of different genres, some summaries of
other lit, some summaries of own work that has appeared in different places,
all focused on cultural historical variation. We might include a chapter
from Elkonin's Doktorat which has a huge lit review in it.

???
mike

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:

> Quoting mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> Mike,
>
> In recordings there are some material from autumn
> terms when children are playing "Small city" -play.
> This is children's free play before our play world
> projects begin and it is used for defining the goals
> of the next play world. The play is different from year to
> year, but I have not yet analyzed the time series if it
> would be possible to see changes.
>
> But your question made me think about other experiences.
> I forgot that my doctoral thesis compares historical forms
> of shopping play. I collected earlier studies and documents
> on shopping play as historical yard play and compared it
> with the same play in day care institutions. Day care versions
> were differed in two aspects: 1. shopping play is not any more
> just preparing props for a shop, but rather a "small city" play
> (in my case a shop, bank, library, hairdresser, police and jail).
> 2. Robbers (mostly boys) are present in all play session and police is
> arresting them and putting to the jail.
>
> I collected comparative and historical data in order to
> find out motivation and change of motivation of play.
> Sense making is central and can be observed partly in the
> fact which Rubinshtein emphasized: in play motives and goals
> cannot be different as in other activities and goals are
> always sense oriented. My article in Engeström et al. 1999
> book partly describes the logic of the thesis.
>
> My stay in San Diego in mid 90's revealed some cultural
> differences between Finnish and American play culture or
> how the cultural practices are reflected in children's play.
> 1. Individualism in day care practices connected to negotiations
> when some one insulted individual rights. Adults´ time was
> mainly used to explain and set conflicts instead of organizing
> joint play activities (Paley did not work in campus day care)
> 2. The case of Tatu. This boy and their parents did not understand
> cultural differences. After breakfast the boy with his uneducated peer
> (living with his grandmother) left for the lagoon and promised to
> return by sunset. Every evening a rescue patrol was sent after them
> to explain that sunset is now.
> 3. I never saw any yard play in the neighborhood and thought there
> very little children living around. Halloween was a surprise when
> hundreds of kids were demanding treat or trick.
> 4. ABECEDERIAN reports reveal that the effects were attained by
> an adult spending one hour with each child (boardgame, puzzle etc.)
> No signs of children's joint play or play worlds.
>
> Sorry for a long text!
> pentti
>
>
>
>  Hi Beth--
>>
>> What nice, concrete, examples of kid-on-playground and expansion of the
>> idea
>> of playgrounds to included boat rides... and kids' VALUING of the
>> playground. No fmri's need apply.
>>
>> Thanks for the wonderful bibliography, Mary. The comments on political
>> considerations putting cultural variations in play off limits in south
>> africa seem an important reminder of sources channeling all human inquiry,
>> "scientific, policy related research" included.
>>
>> Pentti-- Do you think your recordings over the past 11 year indicates
>> shifts
>> in play during that time in Finland?
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
>> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
>>
>>  Quoting mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
>>> Sorry,
>>>
>>> I am writing about a different problem and know only
>>> some research on history of play + have about 2000 hours of
>>> digital video from playworld interventions since 1996 in
>>> Finland.
>>> pentti
>>>
>>> PS Thanks Suzanne for the texts! I am a member of TASP, but
>>> did not know the connection
>>>
>>>  I am unsure, Pentti, that is why I asked about current ethnography
>>>> of play. Perhaps Corsarro's work is relevant? But it is American and not
>>>> likely to help in quests for diversity of cases.
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
>>>> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Quoting mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hei,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just found a new text about smysl in a new book about
>>>>> social epistemology in Russian. Also provoked Zinchenko
>>>>> to collect his ideas from a psychologists point of view.
>>>>> I try to connect these with play analyses. Seems that
>>>>> the proposed mechanism of "smyslo-obrazovanie" is the same
>>>>> as improvisation in advanced role-play. I think Gaskins-Goncu
>>>>> comparative analysis of cultures is very relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 1980's there was a society doing ethnographic research
>>>>> on play and publishing books. But I have not seen anything lately.
>>>>> Perhaps it has died away?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pentti
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Mary and Pentti--
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary-- I have recently used Barbara Rogoff's book on culture and
>>>>>> development. Barbara provides many examples of very young kids engaged
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> what American adults think of as work activity like walking a good
>>>>>> distance
>>>>>> to market on their own and selling stuff too. (Its not clear to me how
>>>>>> "alone" they are in this whole process from the descriptions but i
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> properly followed up the references. Certainly, the work of Gaskins
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Goncu emphasizes the diminished role of overt pretend play in 3-6 year
>>>>>> olds
>>>>>> in many cultures relative to European/American/"modernized" cultural
>>>>>> configurations of early childhood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any recent ethnographies of early childhood in the varied
>>>>>> cultures
>>>>>> of South Africa? I know there was considerable interest in this topic
>>>>>> 100
>>>>>> years ago. What has changed since colonial "Kiddish" times?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pennti. It is easy to agree that play is sense making, at least for
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have tried to figure out the different micro-hermeneutical processes
>>>>>> (Achille's thought provoking way of talking about what we tend to
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> as micro-genesis) involved in the most recent New Yorker cover. The
>>>>>> variety
>>>>>> of paths of sense making is pretty amazing, just for this one playful
>>>>>> object!! Have you checked it out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re brain/education/development. It would be interesting to assay what
>>>>>> proportion of the articles in that journal are interested in
>>>>>> brain-->differences in educational attainment processes and which
>>>>>> proportion
>>>>>> are interested in organization of setting-->brain
>>>>>> differences<-->behavioral
>>>>>> differences. And in allied journals as well.
>>>>>> (in someone's free time!)
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
>>>>>> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Quoting Mary van der Riet <vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Mary and others,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is interesting what kind of evidence is changing people's
>>>>>>> relation to early years education and play. Neuroscience and
>>>>>>> relation between executive functions and play woke people up.
>>>>>>> But I still think that Brian Sutton-Smith is right when he
>>>>>>> says that people look for wrong effect, from wrong place and with
>>>>>>> wrong methods in play research. The essence of play is that it is
>>>>>>> sense making activity, but it may be impossible to open what this
>>>>>>> means using English. It may be impossible to properly analyze
>>>>>>> cultural history of play without analyzing play as sense making
>>>>>>> activity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Scandinavia there are some theses trying to reveal
>>>>>>> the semiotics of space in day care institutions, not just yards.
>>>>>>> In our faculty one doctoral student tries to analyze 4000 photos
>>>>>>> from day care institutions trying to explain the superiority of
>>>>>>> the Finnish system (in vain I think). There are some attempts to
>>>>>>> change the principles how activities are spatially carried out
>>>>>>> (we have a lot of ordinary houses used as day care centers and
>>>>>>> they are not planned for this purpose).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>> Pentti Hakkarainen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hi Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  World Cup wise yes it is a bit cold here, but then it is also
>>>>>>> winter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> 5 degrees at 8/30pm in Johannesburg is not unusual. This World Cup
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> been so full of suprises, but also great for South African
>>>>>>>> nationalism
>>>>>>>> (a rather tricky concept).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About the play podcast - someone referred it to me, and yes I assume
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> text is the same as the podcast. I have an interest in the area,
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> interest in children, rather than an academic specialization. There
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> a lot of differences between children across continents (and within
>>>>>>>> South Africa) in terms of how much freedom and responsibility they
>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>> In one area I worked in, it was not uncommon for 3 year olds to walk
>>>>>>>> 1,5
>>>>>>>> km home from preschool on their own. Their playground/play equipment
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> also relatively unsophisticated.
>>>>>>>>  I was a bit disappointed that the podcast content was fairly
>>>>>>>> superficial, but I suppose that is the nature of the form of media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mary van der Riet; School of Psychology; University of KwaZulu-Natal
>>>>>>>> Private Bag X01, Scottsville, 3209
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> email: vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za
>>>>>>>> tel: 033 260 6163;  fax: 033 2605809
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> 07/04/10 01:04 AM >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Hi Mary--
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks for the tip on that story underneath the oil spill. I had
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  read
>>>>>>>> that far yet. I have read it now, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was a lot in that article that was new to me. (I assume the
>>>>>>>> pod
>>>>>>>> cast
>>>>>>>> text was the same as the written text??)  I have never read about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> history of the playground movement and found it very interesting. It
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> also fascinating the stars in this current story were architects who
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> kids or were fascinated by the freedom of design that playgrounds,
>>>>>>>> relatively speaking, allow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The link of play-as-educating-young-minds to the contemporary
>>>>>>>> obsession
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the brain is one I am more familiar with. Below I append the self
>>>>>>>> promotional advertising associated with a journal that is squarely
>>>>>>>> focused
>>>>>>>> on this topic. I think that an immanent critique of this line of
>>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>>>> begging to be done from a CHAT perspective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this a topic you would be interested in pursuing on XMCA?
>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>> PS-- It looks cold down your way judging from the way World Cup
>>>>>>>> players
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> bundled up
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>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Mary van der Riet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Indirectly related to your forwarded post Mike :  Rebecca Mead on
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  playground design affects children?s brains:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/2010/07/05/100705on_audio_mead
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mary van der Riet; School of Psychology; University of
>>>>>>>>> KwaZulu-Natal
>>>>>>>>> Private Bag X01, Scottsville, 3209
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> email: vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za
>>>>>>>>> tel: 033 260 6163;  fax: 033 2605809
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> 06/29/10 18:22 PM >>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Rod. I know that several XMCA folks are interested in this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  topic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I think that publication of part of Elkonin's doktorat would be a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  contribution here.
>>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Rod Parker-Rees <
>>>>>>>>> R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I thought some of you might be interested in this.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > With best wishes,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Rod
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> > From: Issues around children's play needs [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> > PLAY-CHILDREN@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Alice
>>>>>>>>> Atkinson-Bonasio
>>>>>>>>> > Sent: 29 June 2010 08:34
>>>>>>>>> > To: PLAY-CHILDREN@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Cultural History of Play
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Dear List Members,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I am currently conducting some preliminary research for an edited
>>>>>>>>> > collection of works addressing the cultural history of Play.  We
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> > particularly interested in work that addresses and unpacks the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  meaning
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > cultural importance of particular play phenomena in the past.
>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > about the objects and mechanics of play in and of themselves, but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  way
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > that play as it happened in the past is connected to wider
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  structures
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > identity, power, pleasure, work and consumption practices, etc.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > We are aiming to gather material and a list of contributors for a
>>>>>>>>> symposium
>>>>>>>>> > in 2011, with a planned date for publication around the end of
>>>>>>>>> 2012.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > If you have some material that might be appropriate or would like
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> > involved, please do get in touch as soon as possible. Equally, if
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > unsure that your area of interest fits the above description,
>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  a line
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > and I'll be happy to clarify things.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Furthermore, if anybody has any suggestions of other email groups
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> > might be relevant to this project, please do let me know.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Many thanks in advance for your help and I look forward to your
>>>>>>>>> responses.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > All the best,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Alice Atkinson-Bonasio
>>>>>>>>> > Research Assistant
>>>>>>>>> > "Cultural History of Play" Project
>>>>>>>>> > University of the West of England
>>>>>>>>> > Alice.Atkinson-Bonasio@uwe.ac.uk
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