Re: [xmca] Chigano, Gypsy, Roma in an international context

[ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>]

Hi David !

Jews who migrated from Spain centuries ago and who live in Turkey are named
Safarad here...At least one of their probable several names...

But what about then the Pico Turquino in Cuba, highest point in Cuba? Is it
related with Turks also? !

Ulvi




2010/4/11, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>:
>
> I think the word "chicano" is American English (but then the word
> "American" is also American English). It only refers to those whose families
> originated from Latin America (anything south of the Rio Grande in Texas)
> but who were themselves born in the USA, It is not derogatory, and Sonia
> Sotomayor who serves on the Supreme Court refers to herself as a "chicana"
> (because she is from Puerto Rico, which is a colony of the USA).
>
> As I understand it, the word Chigano is the Greek pronunciation of Tzigano,
> or Zigano, which means Roma in the Romani language. My grandfather, born in
> Japan, was a "Turqino", that is, a Turkish Jew (Hi, Ulvi!), but the language
> we spoke during our centries of exile in Turkey was actually a Jewish form
> of Spanish, and it is elsewhere called "Ladino". (My mother's maiden name
> was "del Burgos", after the city of Burgos in Spain).
>
> People always prefer their own inventions, and of course there are
> perfectly innocuous words (e.g. "negro") which over time really do accrue
> the filth of disparagement and oppression. But the idea that when foreigners
> mispronounce our names or change them they are deliberately insulting us
> really tells us more about the psychology of the oppressed than about that
> of the oppressor.
>
> When I was little I lived in the city known as Madras, in India, and I can
> easily tell what political party Indians vote for by telling them this.
> Supporters of unsavory ultra-nationalist outfits like the Hindu
> fundamentalist BJP will always correct me and tell me that the city's "true"
> name is "Chennai", as earnestly as the children Vygotsky interviewed claimed
> that a dog called "cow" will give milk and have horns.
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education.
>
>
> --- On Sat, 4/10/10, ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Chigano, Gypsy, Roma in an international context
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:42 AM
>
>
> Hi Anna,
>
> I visited once Volos. It is really a very nice city to live in.
> Cheers,
> Ulvi Icil
> Istanbul, Turkey
>
>
> 2010/4/10, Anna Chronaki <chronaki@uth.gr>:
> >
> > Dear all,
> > The last few years part of my research involves studying mathematical
> > 'development' with Gypsy children and I have published some of my work
> > mainly in European journals or books edited by European editors.
> > As I try to move on to a more 'international' context I realize that the
> > use
> > of words such as Chicano, Gypsy or Roma take very different meanings to
> the
> > ones I would use at either a local (Greek-Gypsy community) or a European
> > context. For example in Greece the word 'Gypsy' could, at times and for
> > some, be insulting and people would rather the word Chicano as a
> > self-description of who they are. Recent European policies enforce using
> > Roma as a 'community' term signifying who these people are, and
> 'inventing'
> > even a flag (!..) for promoting greater uniformity and group-identity.
> > I am wondering what is the case in the US. So far, I realize that in the
> > Americas (North and South) the word chicano refers to Latino people -
> which
> > in fact is a different community, or isn't it?
> > I would appreciate any ideas, clarifications, references concerning the
> > above use of terms.
> > Many thanks,
> > Anna Chronaki
> >
> > Associate Professor
> > University of Thessaly
> > Volos, Greece.
> >
> >
> >
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