Re: [xmca] Appologizing

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Achilles--

 You acted in good faith. I am sure Andy knows the rules about
copyright in this area better than most of us having pushed the boundaries
for a long time.

Part of the problem Dot points to arises from the fact that it was not until
the 1970's some time (as i recall, Andy will know) that the USSR
entered international copyright agreements. And even when it did,
books published in Russian before that time were not subject to copyright.
And even after they entered the agreement, Soviet authors were paid roughly
the equivalent of a cup of cofee for their work while the state took the
profits for those who made sure nothing besmirching the USSR leaked out.
Hence, a multi-decade process of smuggling out manuscripts, un "authorized
translations," and so on.

If Liveright still exists, it gets and has always gotten 100% of the profits
for Luria's "Nature of Human Conflicts," cut up and badly translated as it
is, arguably one of his greatest works. That is 70+ year run... so far. It
cost a pretty penny to get that book published in Russian about a decade
ago, and it was not the Russians who paid for that publication.

mike

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Greetings for all,
>
> I must appologize because something that I did wrong, impulsivelly, or
> without asking for any more experient people before. It's about a
> digitalization fo a Vygotsky's book, published in English. Let me put the
> things in historical context, because is only in this way that we can
> understand something. Some months ago I was studying my exemplar of "The
> teaching about emotions" that I buy by internet, etc. - cause we don't have
> a Portuguese version, etc. And I turned interested in Chabrier's work quoted
> with many positive valuations by Vygotsky. Then I posted a topic here in
> order to learn more about this author. This was interesting because
> originate a long discussion around the matter of Emotions, not only about
> Vygotsky's contribution but several important refletions from history,
> antropology, sociology, phylosophy, and so on. And I noted that many people
> in XMCA do not have the text "Teaching about emotions" and the discussion
> about the own Vygotsky's considerations turns a little limited because
> this... Then I did, by myself, without any guilt for anybody but mine, a
> digitalization and send to Andy Bluden in order to he make a revision, we
> thought that this sharing act will be not problem for the communitie, but a
> gesture of solidary scientific cooperation. I agree with Dorothy concerns
> about the credits of the English source, of course, but the final format was
> not under my responsability. Even so, I understood nobody acted with evil
> inttentions... This was not for comercial porposes, never - and of course
> everybody prefers to have the hard book if can buy it. Of course, for my
> personal use I already had the own book, hard cover, it's wonderful. But is
> very interisting when you have more people reading the same, to you discuss
> and think better about...
>
> Against who could be something like this? I don't know. But stay sure that
> never I will do something like this in future again here to you.
>
> I wonder if I must unsubscribe the list. But I feel that this not
> necessary, except the responsibles decide so. If not I can continue
> listenning to you, in silence, and not cause any disturbance anymore.
>
> Then, please forgive me something.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Thank you for all that you did for me, since the beggining.
>
> Achilles Delari Junior.Psychologist - From Brazil.
>
>
>
> > From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: RE: [xmca] Teaching on the Emotions
> > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 05:35:00 +0000
> >
> >
> > Dorothy,
> > Of course I never was reffering to Vygotsky's family, when I talk about
> capitalist editorial market interests. If the publishers do notcontribute to
> the family there is one more reason to criticize their practices.
> > I only didn't not understand what is the restriction to share something
> that was important to people enlightment... It is not good that peoplearound
> the world could read Vygotsky? I never wonder that this simplegesture of
> sharing something good with people here will be somethingreproachable... or
> specially excepcional...
> > There are many free e-books from Vygotsky's works at internet, the
> Russian titles are the more available. And I think that is importantthat
> this happening... The same about Aristotle, Spinoza, Marx, and many others.
> How could be different?
> > Best.Achilles.
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:16:06 -0700
> > > From: drobbins72000@yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Teaching on the Emotions
> > > To: ablunden@mira.net; xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > CC:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Words from Achilles,
> > >
> > > "notes: If marxists.org cannot share it - I can put in my personal
> page, by the way. Vygotsky is not for comercial capitalist interests, is not
> a private property - his work belongs to humanity, everything different
> would be a complete absurd."
> > >
> > > I am so amazed and stunned at these words that I have so little to
> say....this is beyond anything I have understood to date.....I am very sorry
> for what has happened, in my understanding....Just a quick note....The
> Vygotsky family in Russia, to my knowledge has never received any money for
> the works of Vygotsky in any language...Achilles, and his words of
> "capitalist interests," regarding the article he is interested in, are
> interesting...but, I am totally confused....Is he interested in helping the
> Vygotsky family? or, what is he interested in? I am in a total cloud of
> confusion.......
> > > My good wishes to many of you,
> > > Dot
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Teaching on the Emotions
> > > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:14 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > It is not listed on marxists.org, and just circulated on xmca. If
> anyone complains, I will delete it from marxists.org instantly. It cannot
> be cited as at that location. It is just for sharing among members of this
> list. The source information is in the Document Properties.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > Dot Robbins wrote:
> > > >  Dear Andy,
> > > > Having been involved with the Collected Works of L. S. Vygotsky,
> Volume 6 (in English), I am confused with what is happening....sorry, I am
> busy, so my question is perhaps answered.....I thought we were receiving a
> new article from Vygotsky on emotions, something new Achilles found. It
> sounded wonderful. And, in the title, I was still excited about something
> new: The Teaching About Emotions Historical-Psychological Studies Lev
> Semenovich Vygotsky (1931-1933). Now, it looks like it is only a copy of
> Volume 6 of the Collected Works, pp. 71-235; however, this reference is not
> listed in the information that was sent out initially (later, yes), nor is
> it posted on Marxists.org. Then, did Achilles change some of the wording of
> the text? I just don't have the time to compare....Of course, I am assuming
> anyone can scan and send out chapters of The Collected Works of L. S.
> Vygotsky…..I am assuming that the entire Collected
> > > > Works in English can be made available for free this way….I am just
> lost as to what is really happening here…
> > > >  So sorry, perhaps I do not have the time to investigate all of this
> properly….however, if people are posting translations of Vygotsky already
> published, I do believe that the initial source material should be made
> available at all levels!!!!.I am a little stunned at the moment. Sorry.
> Perhaps I do not have the full picture….I am, however, assuming that
> Achilles did not take the translated material in Vol. 6, in English, and
> change the wording of that material. Correct? Thanks. Yours in amazement,
> > > > Dot
> > > >
> > > >
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