Re: RE: Further historical thoughts on this thread Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?

[Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca>]

Hi Achilles
I looked up the article by googling "danzinger historicity" and the article was the second one that came up on the site. The article is "Golden Oldies on ESHHA" and is the keynote address he gave to the 20th annual meeting of the European Society for the History of the Human Sciences.
In the last paragraph of the article Danzinger states "That leaves historians with a twofold task. On the one hand, they need to investigate what lies behind the historical persistence of some psychological objects, the contribution of institutionalized practices or discursive traditions, for instance. On the other hand, they need to question the tendency to credit psychological objects with much greater historical persistence than they in fact possess and to make visible the extraordinary historical mutability of these objects" (page 5)

Achilles I hope this works
Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:38 am
Subject: RE: Further historical thoughts on this thread Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu

> 
> Hi Larry, 
> 
> This is very interesting and so important... But I try to open 
> the attached and nothing happens, I don't know about technical 
> problems at my mail server... Could you send to me again, at 
> delari@uol.com.br , please? I will read immediately. I guess I 
> will compile all the posts in that thread too, for to send too xmca...
> 
> Thank you so much.
> 
> Achilles.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: lpurss@shaw.ca
> > To: lchcmike@gmail.com; xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: Further historical thoughts on this thread Re: [xmca] 
> Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:07:38 -0800
> > CC: 
> > 
> > Hi Achilles, Andy, Mike, and others
> > I know this thread was dropped a week ago but it has continued 
> to turn over
> > in my mind.
> > I've attached an article by Danzinger that elaborates on the 
> themes of this
> > thread and introduced a framework I thought was interesting.
> > He suggests when we study the history and evolution of 
> psychological and
> > discursive objects we should consider 3 separated but 
> interweaving levels of
> > analysis.
> > He prefers the term epistemic objects to discursive objects as 
> the article
> > explains.
> > The 3  frameworks are 1) The person's biography  2) 
> the situated social
> > practices in which the epistemic objects had their historical 
> development> and 3) the discursive history of the formation of 
> the psychological object.
> > He believes that in our contemporary theorizing we are biasing the
> > discursive and personal biographical frames and under 
> theorizing the
> > historical social practices.
> > 
> > Achilles, when you elaborated the complexity of the number of 
> variables that
> > must be considered when exploring the emergence and 
> development of a
> > "tradition"
> > it seemed overwhelming.  Danzinger's proposal is one 
> possible "map" for
> > differentiating various strands and then interweaving them together.
> > What do you think of the article
> > Larry
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > 
> > 
> > Very interesting thread.
> > I was struck by the following, Achilles:
> > You write
> > He thought that a better way is dialog itself, the true is not 
> with me, not
> > with you, and not with nobody and/or with everybody - the 
> truth can
> > historicaly emerge in.....
> > 
> > This is very reminiscent of Vygotsky way of talking about 
> consciousness at
> > the end of Thinking and Speech.
> > 
> > mike
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi Larry,I think that all you said is about many crucial 
> problems to us,
> > > not only related to the history of a (plural) "way of 
> thinking" in
> > > psychology, but related to all our historical-cultural 
> conditions as human
> > > beings too. Vygotsky, I understand loved the the "Truth", 
> and the search
> > for
> > > the "Truth", it is something that we can see in one of his 
> letters to
> > Luria
> > > (1926), after even quoted by Valsiner and van der Veer, and 
> by Veresov
> > too:
> > > "For me the primary question is the question of method, that 
> is for me the
> > > question of truth…" - but even understand the actual meaning 
> of such a
> > word
> > > as "truth" is not a easy task, because of the own polissemic 
> character of
> > > it, because there is obstinate fights about what this word 
> can mean in
> > > different social contexts, because this meaning is not 
> independent from a
> > > "second" (a concrete situated interlocutor) and from a 
> "third" (an
> > anonymous
> > > and generic social interlocutor in the time in that this 
> word is said and
> > > beyond, projecting it in time, in future, in the "Great 
> Temporality" - in
> > > Bakhtin words again)... But, in my naive reading, I guess 
> that the was, at
> > > least two traditions in Vygotsky's concept of "truth", the 
> spinozian (with
> > > the statement that there is nothing totally unkowing in 
> Nature, i.e., in
> > all
> > > that exist, in all that embraces reality), and, of course, 
> the marxian
> > (with
> > > the statement that the question of objective truth is not 
> only a
> > discursive
> > > rhetoric task, but mainly a question of praxis, therefore a 
> question of
> > > actual transformation of the reality we try to explain with 
> our words)...
> > > Then if Vygotsky did not leaves out the concept and the 
> desire of a truth,
> > I
> > > guess this is not in a classical, platonic and/or scholastic 
> fashion> > (tradition?) to approach this problem. I understand 
> that this is not a
> > > peripheral problem in Vygotsky's though and project to 
> historical-cultural
> > > psychology. But this can create several disputes, inside the 
> arena of the
> > > signs "truth", "method", and even "heuristics", for sure. 
> The heuristic
> > > problem, in sense of construction of paths to construct 
> knowledge about
> > > human condition and/or permanent transformation of that 
> (social)condition,> > the methodological problem, in the same 
> sense, seems to be almost always
> > in
> > > the forefront in Vygotsky's concerns... If we can understand 
> better the
> > > social (complex, non-linear) formation of a trend of 
> thinking in twenty
> > > century Russian (and International) psychology, it is 
> reasonable suppose
> > > that we would can understand better another cultural 
> collective movements
> > of
> > > creation of discourses and practices mediated by them. 
> Particularly I
> > wonder
> > > that dialogic criteria to search the "truth" is very useful 
> too. Bakhtin,
> > in
> > > this sense, is against not only "dogmatic" concept of truth, 
> but even
> > > against "relativistic" one... He though that a better way is 
> dialog> itself,
> > > the true is not with me, not with you, and not with nobody 
> an/or with
> > > everybody - the truth can historicaly emerges in dialogical 
> process... In
> > > this sense, the different versions for the historical facts 
> must not be
> > > simply sawed as many equally true versions, in their inner 
> logic and
> > > structure all equally valid (relativistic approach), nor a 
> question> > exclusively about there are people lying when other 
> are telling the real
> > and
> > > unquestionable truth (dogmatic approach) - but the fight 
> between different
> > > versions itself can be the own embodiment of the possible 
> historical truth
> > > to construct. But methodologically it is really not easy, to 
> put in fight
> > > that confrontation of the versions of the facts, even more 
> many facts are
> > > not like a meteorological happening to which people can say 
> "It was a
> > little
> > > breath" and/or "it was a big torment" and then we must 
> return to objective
> > > fact to prove two versions and find the real true. Of course 
> in history,
> > in
> > > psychology, the things are not in this fashion, because the 
> own "versions"
> > > becomes constitutive of the "facts" (i.e. what we call 
> "version" is a
> > > "discursive fact", an "speech act", etc.), and we are not in 
> a very
> > > comfortable position to decide. The textual analysis, the 
> hermeneutic and
> > > exegetic tools are very important and very useful and 
> absolutely necessary
> > > in this impossible mission, of course. But even this 
> methodology to
> > > understand the texts is constituted by some believes that we 
> have/acquire> > about what is the "text", what is "meaning", 
> what is "reality", "truth"
> > and
> > > "lies", and who is the "subject" that produces this things 
> in his/her
> > social
> > > relations, cultural contexts, etc... These believes about 
> how to do our
> > > hermeneutic task are historically constituted too, are not outside
> > history,
> > > supra-positioned respect the own text, in any sense, this 
> exegetical> > tradition is some kind of recreation of original 
> texts too, and a new
> > verse
> > > to the play that must goes on, a part of the "tradition" (and
> > contradiction)
> > > too. Self-consciousness of this exegetic limit (to be a 
> historical been in
> > > the same time when we are trying to decode historical 
> encrypted messages)
> > > seems to be an interesting step... Because in future can 
> will exist many
> > > researchers telling about the lies we are just telling 
> today. Even so, in
> > a
> > > "vygotskian tradition" we can not absolutely abdicate the 
> quest for
> > truth...
> > > To do this can be to make a choice that will represent a 
> more deep rupture
> > > with the former project (if the existence of a "project" is 
> not only an
> > > illusion of my own mind), in my modest opinion.Achilles
> > > > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:36:28 -0800
> > > > From: lpurss@shaw.ca
> > > > Subject: Re:  Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something 
> in English?
> > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > >
> > > > Hi Achilles
> > > >
> > > > Your questions are fascinating as an inquiry of the 
> constructs or
> > > heuristic processes of emerging "traditions" "schools of thought"
> > > "paradigms" "Discourses" as cultural patterns which we 
> articulate and
> > > INHABIT.
> > > > When you mention Freud, the extensive literature that has 
> developed> > exploring the formation of a "tradition" of 
> psychoanalysis as a
> > sociological
> > > and cultural "way of knowing" is informative of 
> epistemological ways of
> > > creating knowledge. How different versions of the "truth"are 
> contested and
> > > "true believers" who are arguing for a specific version (as 
> "dogma")  make
> > > validity claims  of CERTAINTY for their "true" version 
> (as they believe
> > > Freud saw the world) is a process of narrative construction 
> worth studying
> > > in its own right. In fact the sociology of knowledge is a 
> "tradition which
> > > does just that.
> > > > In exploring Vygotsky's contribution to a new emerging 
> "perspective" or
> > > vantage point from which to "see" human "nature" the same 
> processes are at
> > > PLAY.
> > > >
> > > > The metaphor that best captures the DYNAMIC PROCESS at 
> play in the
> > > creation or construction of "traditions" seems to be the 
> metaphor of
> > > CONVERSATION (as the process of sharing particular 
> perspectives not to
> > > confirm your particular perspective but as a conscious 
> process that a
> > THIRD
> > > perspective that is NOVEL and emerges within the open space 
> of the
> > > conversation is constructed and each participants version 
> (which is held
> > > tentatively as a FALLIBLE perspective) is enlarged as each 
> conversant's> > "horizon of understanding" is expanded.
> > > > The part that I'm curious about (in my ZPD) is how to 
> create social
> > > structures where this fallible position can be nurtured and 
> the vitality
> > of
> > > conversation as creating THIRDNESS replaces the need for 
> "traditions" as
> > > locations of dogma as "truth".
> > > > It is this SENSIBILITY towards "knowing" within the CHAT 
> collective (in
> > > contrast to SENSE) that I appreciate so much as a place 
> which invites an
> > > open space to generate THIRDNESS. ( I apologize if I'm using 
> this term in
> > a
> > > way that muddles other conceptions of thirdness such as Peirce)
> > "Thirdness"
> > > as a spirit of inquiry does capture the spirit of NOVELTY 
> created in
> > > communities of inquiry.
> > > > It also helps to explain when thirdness collapses into 
> CERTAINTY and
> > > scholars such as Freud or Vygotsky get locked into dogmatic 
> traditions.> > > The question to be answered is how do we keep 
> "traditions" open to
> > > novelty in a spirit of thirdness.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bella Kotik-Friedgut <bella.kotik@gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:03 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > > To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
> > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > >
> > > > > As a student I took part in Leontjev's course on geleral
> > > > > psychology and the
> > > > > his distancing was not obvious (at least for us as students
> > > > > because one of
> > > > > the compulsory tasks was to read "  Thinking and Speech"
> > > > > and to be examined
> > > > > fully on one book as well as another task to read Leontjev;s
> > > > > "Problems of
> > > > > development of mind") As for the tradition: Luria's 
> "Basics of
> > > > > Neuropsychology" is based on Vygotsky's ideas  quite
> > > > > explicitly. Is this an
> > > > > expression of cultural-historical tradition?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bella Kotik
> > > > > .
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:57 AM, mike cole
> > > > > <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Achilles. I think we have lived to witness exactly 
> "non-liner
> > > > > genetic> course
> > > > > > or history."  For many complex reasons Vygotsky 
> "missed"> > > > the dominant trend
> > > > > > of his times, behaviorism/psychoanalysis" in a way that
> > > > > anticipated the
> > > > > > turn
> > > > > > away from Piaget (who did not become "mainstream" in 
> USA until late
> > > > > > 1950's-60's) and banishment of Freud from mainstream
> > > > > psychology to cultural
> > > > > > studies circles and, in watered down fashion, human 
> potential> > > > movements) so
> > > > > > that when
> > > > > > Toulmin wrote about "The mozart of psychology" his clearly
> > > > > idiocyncratic> interpretation fell like a match into a 
> pool of
> > > > > gasoline (that looked for
> > > > > > all the world like a pool of water). The "Vygotsky
> > > > > > explosion" that many, such as Laszlo Garai in Hungary have
> > > > > written about,
> > > > > > and that so irritate many, was the result.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its really a fascinating process to have lived through,
> > > > > contributed to,
> > > > > > been guilty of, etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And look at one of its consequences. We chatter across the
> > > > > globe as easily,
> > > > > > or more easily, than we get a loaf of bread...... 
> while others
> > > > > starve.>
> > > > > > Non linear for sure.
> > > > > > mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Achilles Delari 
> Junior <
> > > > > >  achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not historicist, but I can remember something from
> > > > > Benjamin about
> > > > > > > "tradition" x "conservationism" ... That tradition 
> is not always
> > > > > > > conservative nor authoritarian, there are 
> democratic, dialogical,
> > > > > > > revolutionary traditions too... I guess - in 
> addition - that
> > > > > perhaps> > something like a "cultural tradition" (any cultural
> > > > > tradition, in diverse
> > > > > > > fields of society collective actions) can have a non-liner
> > > > > genetic course
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > history... I dont know if this is terminologically 
> possible> > > > or adequate.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > a psychological theory, and/or approach, and/or
> > > > > "perspective" (has some
> > > > > > > people tell here in Brazil: "historical-cultural
> > > > > perspective") - can not
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > like a dogmatic religious tradition (despite I have any
> > > > > doubts if even
> > > > > > > religions can be strictly dogmatic all the time 
> without any
> > > > > secular> > influences and changes to dialog with broader
> > > > > cultural contexts, etc.).
> > > > > > In
> > > > > > > this sense neither behaviorism or psychoanalysis 
> could be
> > > > > understood as
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > strict "tradition" (there was fights and ruptures 
> all the time,
> > > > > > dissidences,
> > > > > > > detours, new trends, and interpretations, etc.). 
> Scientific> > > > thought> > presupposes changes as a sine qua 
> non condition of
> > > > > its own existence...
> > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > course, in the field of the Vygotsky's intelectual,
> > > > > cultural, legacy
> > > > > > > ("puzzle kind" legacy) the discontinuous, 
> intermittent, sometimes
> > > > > > enigmatic,
> > > > > > > character of the history of this "(non)tradition" it 
> is very
> > > > > eminent.> There
> > > > > > > are several important intellectual disputes about 
> the "correct
> > > > > > > interpretation", the best exegetic tools, etc. But 
> how can
> > > > > we name this
> > > > > > > historical process? Is there something in this that 
> can have
> > > > > the same
> > > > > > name?
> > > > > > > Every new name means an actual paradigmatic rupture? 
> A name
> > > > > never can be
> > > > > > > only one meaning, of course. The sample of the name 
> of the
> > > > > Journal is
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > worthwhile - a kind of "family name" (as "complex" in
> > > > > thought and
> > > > > > language
> > > > > > > relations). People sometimes use names, words, has 
> sign of some
> > > > > > collective
> > > > > > > identity, to be included in a broader common troupe of
> > > > > social actors...
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > is far to be something harmonious or ideally synergistic,
> > > > > but exist some
> > > > > > > need to stay in touch with persons that have some common
> > > > > interests,> mainly
> > > > > > > common values, as Mike said. If this can be named a
> > > > > tradition, now I
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > > don't if is the more important question.
> > > > > > > Achilles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:26:30 -0800
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in 
> English?> > > > > > > From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps we can get the shif book translated if it is
> > > > > interesting. Does
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > exist in Russian, Anton?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I disagree with only one part of what you say about
> > > > > > "cultural-historical"
> > > > > > > > school never existing. In the period from about 1956
> > > > > following Stalin's
> > > > > > > > death, to the death of Luria and Leontiev, there 
> was an
> > > > > identifiable> > group
> > > > > > > > of people who met together, talked together, shared
> > > > > certain ideas and
> > > > > > > > values. They were also quite influential as heads 
> of some
> > > > > departments> and
> > > > > > > > institutes. They did not all agree with each other
> > > > > (Achille's evocation
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > family strikes me as about right) and Leontiev was both
> > > > > feared and
> > > > > > > distanced
> > > > > > > > from the others, but they maintained a kind of uneasy
> > > > > alliance. Here I
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > Luria, Zaporzhets, Elkonin, Slavina, Morozova, and 
> perhaps> > > > a few
> > > > > > others.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is a great irony that NOW there is a journal of
> > > > > cultural-historical
> > > > > > > > psychology in Russia. But perhaps, not a bad thing.
> > > > > > > > mike (socio-cultural-historical activity scholar) 
> :-))
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Achilles Delari 
> Junior <
> > > > > > > > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I really understand... Maybe we can say that Vygotsky
> > > > > himself was
> > > > > > > notever
> > > > > > > > > following his own "project"... In some documents
> > > > > (letters) he
> > > > > > > expresshis
> > > > > > > > > desire to dedicate to an species of "cause", the
> > > > > "reconstruction of
> > > > > > > > > allpsychological science, building an unified 
> approach,> > > > but I really
> > > > > > > feel
> > > > > > > > > that therewas no "tradition" stricto sensu, nor 
> no "vigotskian
> > > > > > school"
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > very definitefashion... Even more to read 
> Vygotsky is
> > > > > hard exegetical
> > > > > > > task,
> > > > > > > > > his all workseems to be a kind of complex 
> million pieces
> > > > > puzzle, at
> > > > > > > least
> > > > > > > > > for us non Russianreaders... I dont know... But when
> > > > > everybody lies,
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > to think aboutmethodological tools to define if 
> there is
> > > > > a possible
> > > > > > > > > differentiation betweenlies and truth, or we can be
> > > > > satisfied with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > impossibility of any truth inany social 
> discourse... In
> > > > > capitalists> > liberal
> > > > > > > > > regimes, people can tell some liesin order to satisfy
> > > > > editorial needs
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > market demands too... financial researchfounds 
> to their(our)
> > > > > > projects,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > so on. Then, nobody is without guilt... inthis great
> > > > > social game for
> > > > > > > > > personal success in unequal power relationships, 
> between> > > > nations,> > between
> > > > > > > > > institutions, between groups, persons, or evenbetween
> > > > > brothers at the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > home...
> > > > > > > > > :-(
> > > > > > > > > Best wishes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:35:51 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – 
> something in English?
> > > > > > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Same thing. No answer. Special research needed.
> > > > > Everybody lies.
> > > > > > From
> > > > > > > > > 1930s -- onwards.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, note: "Cultural-historical tradition" sensu
> > > > > Vygotsky never
> > > > > > > existed.
> > > > > > > > > And hardly exists today.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior
> > > > > <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>> > > > > To: 
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 
> 12:59:24 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – 
> something in English?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > This sounds much better! :-)Thank you very 
> much. And
> > > > > about this
> > > > > > > > > title?Психология глухих. (Под ред. И.М. 
> Соловьева, Ж.И.
> > > > > Шиф, Т.В.
> > > > > > > Розановой
> > > > > > > > > и Н.В. Яшковой), М., 1971.Not already from the 
> 1930s...> > > > What you
> > > > > > > recommends?
> > > > > > > > > I found an recent Russian publication from 2006,{
> > > > > > > > > http://bookseller.ru/book.php?n=1454} but I did 
> not feel
> > > > > secure to
> > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > in my blind condition tounderstand the book importance
> > > > > or relation to
> > > > > > > > > historical-cultural tradition...
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:48:14 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – 
> something in
> > > > > English?> > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > RE: Its important to know that it is not 
> near to
> > > > > Vygotsky's> trends.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I never said so. I guess I meant to state 
> that the
> > > > > connection is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > obvious and requires substantial textual analysis.
> > > > > Especially so,
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > deliberately cryptic style of writing in Soviet
> > > > > Psychology from the
> > > > > > > 1930s
> > > > > > > > > onwards...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior
> > > > > <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>> > > > > > To: 
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 
> 2010 12:12:00 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – 
> something in
> > > > > English?> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I understand.Thank you very much.I saw that 
> there is
> > > > > something> from
> > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > about deaf psychology, for instance, etc.Its important
> > > > > to know that
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > not near to Vygotsky's trends.
> > > > > > > > > > > Best.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:10:21 -0800
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – 
> something in
> > > > > English?> > > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I personally strongly doubt any 
> translation of
> > > > > this book ever
> > > > > > > > > existed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck anyway!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -- However, there is other stuff by Shif 
> available> > > > in English,
> > > > > > > but it
> > > > > > > > > is hardly related to her Leningrad work and represent
> > > > > her later
> > > > > > Moscow
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > in defectology...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior
> > > > > <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>> > > > > > > To: 
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 
> 2010 2:37:26 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – 
> something in English?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi XMCA
> > > > > > > > > > > > people…
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In order to
> > > > > > > > > > > > help another friend of mine, biologist, studying
> > > > > scientific> > concepts
> > > > > > > > > > > > development, I’m wonder if you have any notice
> > > > > about English
> > > > > > > > > (Spanish, French,
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) publication from the following text:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Shif, J. I. “Razvitie nauchnykh ponyatii u 
> schko’nika:> > > > > > > > > > > Issledovanie k voprosu 
> umstvenogo razvitiya
> > > > > shkol’nika pri
> > > > > > > obuchenii
> > > > > > > > > > > > obshchestvovedeniyu” [The development of
> > > > > scientific concepts in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > school
> > > > > > > > > > > > child: The investigation of intellectual
> > > > > development of the
> > > > > > > school
> > > > > > > > > child in
> > > > > > > > > > > > social science instruction]. Moscow – Leningrad:
> > > > > > Gosudarstvennoe
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uchebno-Pedagicheskoe Izdatel’stvo. 1935.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’m trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > the Russian high now, but we are not so prepared
> > > > > to actually
> > > > > > > > > translate Russian so
> > > > > > > > > > > > soon, without a huge time spending… And 
> there are
> > > > > many other
> > > > > > > Russian
> > > > > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > > > > > > prior at the schedule, most of that already
> > > > > provide thanks you
> > > > > > > all.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any notice... :-)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > > > > > > very much. Good 2010 for all.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best
> > > > > > > > > > > > wishes.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Achilles.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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