Re: [xmca] guess who

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Very relevant line of work to hightlight. Larry. In 1977 in the series on
the developming child, Stern wrote a little book called "The First
Relationship."
A very thoughtful guy always worth reading.

Is there a web page for the Change Process group. Seems kinda relevant to
understanding culturally mediated process of human development.

mike

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca> wrote:

> The topic of the social construction and development of the self  in Mead
> and the parallels with cultural historical theories of intersubjectivity is
> fascinating.  I have just finished reading "Daniel Stern's book "The Present
> Moment in Psychotherapy and Everyday Life" He is a member of the "Boston
> Change Process Study Group" which is exploring the potential for change
> enacted in the moment to moment (2 to 10 second) intersubjective spaces
> created in enactements.  This work is embedded in the larger focus on
> intersubjectivity being elaborated within  "relational psychoanalysis". One
> of the historical roots of this approach comes from Harry Stack Sullivan
>  and "interpersonal psychoanalysis"  Sullivan's work was a conversation
> between Mead's theory of the relational self and psychoanalysis. This
> conversation is today transforming all branches of psychoanalytic theory and
> practice and there are many books and journal articles focusing on
> "intersubjectivity" and the quality of "mutual" recognition to facilitate
> change. This perspective can be applied to learning and developmental theory
> to emphasize Mead's project of the social self.
> I work in school systems and try to use this intersubjective  relational
> lens to deepen my understanding of  "mediated learning" as a process of
> "implicit relational knowing" (see Daniel Stern)  as well as explicit
> relational knowing and practices.  Intersubjectivity as experienced in the
> moment to moment enactments  that are elaborated within the interactions of
> mediated learning are grounded in affective attunement as foundational to
> cognitive learning.
> I hesitate to bring  "psychoanalytic" models to this website because of the
> reaction to traditional Freudian models of reified psychic structure and all
> that baggage.  However I happen to be intrigued by both "mediated learning"
> and "intersubjectivity" as ways to look at the micro units of analysis.
> As an aside Daniel Stern was one of the researches, with Jerome Bruner, and
> others who studied "baby talk" and the development of language in moment to
> moment transactions. Twenty years later Daniel Stern and the Boston Change
> Process Study Group are still working at this micro unit of the present
> moment and the creation of intersubjective spaces.
> Stern (p.43 "The Present Moment") quoted William James as he described the
> stream of consciousness as like a bird's life made up of an alteration of
> flights and perchings. Stern's book elaborates the present moments are like
> the  perchings. The flights are the spaces between moments of consciousness.
> These "flights" are inaccesible and ungraspable. "Consciousness is thus free
> to switch focus from one present moment to the next, and the sense of the
> self as experiencer is never felt to be interrupted, even though the
> perchings are discontinuous. These present moments are the stuff of
> subjectivity during ordianary mental states" (p.43)
> Mediated learning in the ZPD can be enriched by exploring Mead's and
> Stern's and other scholars who are exploring intersubjectivity and the
> development of the self.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@UDel.Edu>
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [xmca] guess who
> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture,   Activity" <
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Cc: Ben DeVane <ben.devane@gmail.com>
>
> > Mead was also my first guess (and it really was a guess, since I
> > haven't
> > actually read Mead)
> >
> > But I thought the more interesting thing about the provocation
> > is that
> > even though it seemed like exactly what I would expect from
> > Mead, I could
> > not be certain, because there are a number of others we are
> > interested in
> > who could just as well have said the same. That's what I find
> > most
> > interesting in this.
> >
> > And I do think this is part of Hegel's legacy, such that even
> > Lacan could
> > have said much the same as this, although with somewhat
> > differing
> > implications.
> >
> > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, mike cole wrote:
> >
> > > Got it first try. Mead got his PhD with Dilthey. My own guess
> > is that this
> > > goes back to at least Hegel, but others would know better.
> > >
> > > (Dishes done, snuck away)
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Ben DeVane
> > <ben.devane@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> We just got done reading Mead in our pragmatism reading group here,
> > >> and it sounds very Meadish (Vygotsky crossed with Dewey), so
> > that's my
> > >> guess. Honest I didn't look it up on Google.
> > >>
> > >> I really enjoyed the Holland & Lachicotte, and Edwards
> > chapters on the
> > >> parallels between Mead and Vygotsky in the Cambridge
> > handbook. Highly
> > >> recommended for anyone unfamiliar with Mead's work.
> > >>
> > >> -Ben
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:09 PM, mike cole
> > <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> In preparing for class just now i fell across this sentence.
> > Obvious who
> > >>> wrote it without looking it up on google?
> > >>>
> > >>> “*The self is something which has a development*, it is not
> > initially>> there
> > >>> at birth, but arises in the process of social experiences
> > and activity,
> > >> that
> > >>> is, develops in the given individual as a result of his
> > relations to that
> > >>> process as a whole and to other individuals within that process”
> > >>>
> > >>> My own relations are saying get the hell off the computer,
> > the doorbell
> > >> is
> > >>> ringing and the goblins are on the move. So off i go.
> > >>> mike
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> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> ***********************
> > >> Ben DeVane
> > >> Ph.D Candidate
> > >> Games+Learning+Society Research Group
> > >> University of Wisconsin-Madison
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