Re: [xmca] Why Does LSV Compare 3 and 7 Year Olds?

[ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org]

David:

Vygotsky is most interested in understanding development of higher 
psychological functions as they pertain to consciousness.  In so doing it 
is only possible to compare stages, in this case a three year old's level 
of development with a sevffen year old's development.  He uses 
thinking/thought and speech/language as the vehicle for this exploration. 
A seven year old's volition is so far beyond that of the three year old 
that Vygotsky's is summizing (from his experiments) that the 
thinking/thoughts a seven year old internalizes/appropriates do not 
resemble social speech but rather a sophisticated short cut.

perhaps?
eric




David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>
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Everybody:
 
I'm having some trouble. In Chapter Seven, p. 261 of Vol 1, Vygotsky is 
showing us that so-called egocentric speech is becoming structurally and 
functionally differentiated from social speech. The egocentric speech of 
the three year old is quite similar to his communictive speech. But four 
years later the picture is very different.
 
The problem is that in this paragraph he seems to be comparing the 
egocentric speech of the seven year old with the social speech of a three 
year old. Why would he do that? Why doesn't he compare like with like, the 
egocentric speech of a seven year old with the social speech of a seven 
year old?
 
"В 3 года отличие этой речи от коммуникативной речи ребенка почти равно 
нулю. В 7 лет перед нами речь, которая почти по всем своим функциональным 
и структурным особенностям отличается от социальной речи трехлетки."
 
Meccaci has: "At 3 years the difference between this speech and the 
communicative speech of the child is almost zero, while at 7 this speech 
differs (entirely and completely, one hundred percent)* in almost all its 
functional and structural special features from the social speech of 
three-year-olds. 
 
(Another mystery! Meccaci notes that the words in parentheses were omitted 
in 1982, but I can't find them in the Labirinth edition which is 
supposedly based on the 1934 text.)
 
David Kellogg
Seoul National University of Education
 
 
 


 
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