Re: [xmca] Is it a university or just a factory?

Anne and others--

Whenever something disappear from your mail queue remember you can find it
at lchc.ucsd.edu discussions xmca. That threaded discourse
list works!!
mike

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:27 PM, anne radowick <nosecondchoice@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Oh, no. Don't get me started on the deterioration of standards in
> undergraduate education!
> This is obviously not a concern of a few of us worrywarts alone. I was
> eager to read the letter
> Gordon Wells sent to his uni on this issue but whatever he attached didn't
> seem to stick for long.
> Probably better for my blood pressure that I don't read it.... ;-]
>
> Maybe we can't change the institution, but we may be able to change a
> student. And that is our first
> responsibility, isn't it?
>
>
> Keep your stick on the ice, gentlemen,
>
> A. Radowick
> Inha University
> Incheon, Korea
>
>
>
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> again (Mike Cole)> 2. Re: University & Conformity (David Preiss)> 3. Re:
> Translation help again (Michalis Kontopodis)> 4. Re: University & Conformity
> (Andy Jocuns)> > >
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> Message: 1> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:24:30 -0700> From: "Mike Cole" <
> lchcmike@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Translation help again> To:
> "Margaret Woodruff-Wieding" <mwieding@austin.rr.com>> Cc: "eXtended Mind,
> Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> Message-ID:> <
> 30364f990805261924p229c1164u28645713a48dda46@mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Thanks very much, Margaret.
> The context is a marvelous article by Dwight> Conquergood on communication>
> as performance and he is quoting Victor Turner. One of the great things>
> about teaching in the UCSD comm> department is that we get to read and teach
> this kind of material.> mike> > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Margaret
> Woodruff-Wieding <> mwieding@austin.rr.com> wrote:> > > Yes.
> Selbstverstaendnis vs. Fremdverstaendnis, out of context, would> > normally
> be translated as you suggest. In fact, those terms might be used> > for two
> of the eight kinds of emotional intelligence of which popular> > psychology
> speaks: intrapersonal intelligence vs. interpersonal> > intelligence. Can
> you give me the context?> > Margaret Woodruff-Wieding> >> > -----Original
> Message-----> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On> > Behalf Of Mike Cole> > Sent: Monday,
> May 26, 2008 6:43 PM> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity> > Subject:
> [xmca] Translation help again> >> > Can anyone help with this. I am betting
> my students will not understand> > these terms> > and I sure don't.> >> >
> selbstverstandnis versus fremverstandnis???> >> > selfunderstanding versus
> understanding of the other??> >> > mike> >
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> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008
> 00:51:00 -0400> From: David Preiss <davidpreiss@uc.cl>> Subject: Re:
> [xmca] University & Conformity> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> Message-ID: <
> 5D2FB6EC-4E90-4E4F-A7E5-30442265E423@uc.cl>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed> > What surprises me more of
> this thread is the universal crisis of > universities as intellectual
> entities and, in particular, of > undergraduate education: it is interesting
> to notice, through this > thread, how the same issues arise in very
> different contexts, very > different times, very different political
> environments. But, I > wonder, did it ever exist a university such as that
> as we dream of? > How would that university look like? I empathize with many
> of the > quotations and comments, however I teach in a very different >
> institutions than those already mentioned.> > Universities are placed in a
> space of conflicting demands: on the one > hand, they exist to reproduce
> cultural capital (like it or not) and, > consequently, they are essentially
> conservative institutions; on the > other hand, they are supposed to protect
> thinking & free speech, to > produce innovation, to act as a critical agent
> in society. On a > different dimension, universities are asked to promote >
> internationalization at the same time they are asked to protect > national
> values. Or religious ones.> > At the same time, academics are supposed to
> act as free thinkers but > they are always constrained by the multiple
> demands of the academic > life, social conformity, pledge to the methods of
> a discipline, > subordination to an academic career. And students are asked
> to think > freely at the same time they are supposed to abide to the
> requisites > of a curriculum. Truly intellectual life is elsewhere, so it
> seems. > (Maybe in the life of a "flaneur" a la Benjamin? That is, in total
> > dispossession? )> > And so it goes. It makes me think of what Mike has
> said about the > fact that schooling has not changed in centuries, from
> Sumerian time > through modern mass education.> > Thus, the issue, the
> crisis is universal, permanent, repetitive. > Undergrads do not learn the
> way we want they learn, teachers do not > or cannot teach as we want them to
> teach. Same cry everywhere: in > public universities, but also in private
> ones (however what Mike just > said); in universities enrolling elite
> overachieving students; and in > universities enrolling students that drop.>
> > How can such different contexts produce such similar dynamics? Where > are
> the origins of this crisis? Can this crisis be solved at all? > Were not the
> guys at the 60s protesting against the same thing? > Universities supposedly
> changed after the 60s. Did they, really?> > David> > > On May 26, 2008, at
> 9:31 PM, Gordon Wells wrote:> > >> I really doubt that this is a sensitive
> or delicate issue for > >> participants> >> in XMCA, Eric;> >> it would be
> sad if you were correct.> >> > I am sufficiently stung by the suggestion
> that the state of our > > universities and colleges is too sensitive for
> university teachers > > on xmca to get involved in the discussion to post a
> brief reply. I > > am in fact leaving tomorrow morning for a small
> conference on > > "Learning in Higher Education" and at the forthcoming
> ISCAR > > conference I have organized a symposium on CHAT and Higher > >
> Education, which I hope some of you will attend.> >> > Just over a year ago
> there was a meeting on the UCSC campus to > > discuss the long-range
> development plan (DSAP). At that meeting > > both the acting chancellor and
> the executive vice-chancellor spoke > > proudly about the high quality of
> our undergraduate program, as > > demonstrated by the high rank of our
> campus in getting > > undergraduates into postgraduate programs. I took the
> opportunity > > to suggest that there was equally cause for concern at the
> high > > dropout rate and the lack of serious interest in really engaging >
> > with the ideas presented in their courses shown by many students. > > At
> the EVC's invitation, I put my comments in writing and sent them > > to him.
> I received no reply. For those who are interested, I am > > attaching a copy
> of the letter that I sent to the EVC.> >> > Gordon> > -- > > Gordon Wells> >
> Department of Education> > University of California, Santa Cruz
> http://people.ucsc.edu/ > > ~gwells<Response to > >
> DSAP.doc>_______________________________________________> > xmca mailing
> list> > xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> > David Preiss, Ph.D.> Subdirector de Extensión y Comunicaciones> Escuela de
> Psicología> Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile> Av Vicuña Mackenna -
> 4860> 7820436 Macul> Santiago, Chile> > Fono: 3544605> Fax: 3544844> e-mail:
> davidpreiss who-is-at uc.cl> web personal: http://web.mac.com/ddpreiss/> web
> institucional: http://www.epuc.cl/profesores/dpreiss> > > > > >
> ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008
> 09:58:03 +0200> From: Michalis Kontopodis <
> michalis.kontopodis@staff.hu-berlin.de>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Translation
> help again> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity">
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> Message-ID: <
> 8201ABF3-CFF3-4DA9-B474-CAC3134E4491@staff.hu-berlin.de>> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Mike, probably:
> self-conception vs. conception of the other> > greetings,> > m.> > > On May
> 27, 2008, at 1:43 AM, Mike Cole wrote:> > > Can anyone help with this. I am
> betting my students will not > > understand> > these terms> > and I sure
> don't.> >> > selbstverstandnis versus fremverstandnis???> >> >
> selfunderstanding versus understanding of the other??> >> > mike> >
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> ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008
> 08:51:27 -0700> From: "Andy Jocuns" <jocunsa@gmail.com>> Subject: Re:
> [xmca] University & Conformity> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> Message-ID:> <
> 43c4db160805270851s7bc84fadm3ff4951f30b9d370@mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Hope I am not replying to
> this one too late, but Mike's observations really> strike a chord with me.
> Particularily observation #1 which sums up my> undergrad experience @ Penn
> State. I have to say that I feel like I did not> learn how to learn until I
> got grad school. Yeah there were things that> interested me that I retained
> for my own purposes but the assessments in> general were pretty bad. My lack
> of interest in memorizing random tidbits of> a textbook reminded me too much
> of basic training, which when i was> undergrad i was trying to forget. Sadly
> I remember more from my military> experience -- though that's a different
> story.> > Right now I am on a project which is studying engineering
> undergrads, and I> am often struck by how engineering educators suggest that
> an engineering> degree is the "new liberal arts degree". There seems to be a
> few meanings> attached to this phrase, but it gets under my skin how much
> the "old liberal> arts degree" means little of anything anymore. In order to
> do anything with> such a degree, you need to have some graduate degree. So
> how and when did> the bachelor's degree become so proletarian? It seems you
> can say the same> about a master's degree as well now.> > andy> > >
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