Re: [xmca] A request for guidance - private speech

Thanks Mike.

It would really be great to hear from Nacho Montero. I'm going to start
digging to know more about his work.

Karin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [xmca] A request for guidance - private speech

Great overview and summary on a very worthwhile topic!Thanks for raising the
question and providing the bibliographic references.

I know that Nacho Montero also works in this area and it would be great to
hear from him
on issues of conception of private speech and the criticisms of research
used to study
"it" (however "it" is conceived!)
mike

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:10 AM, mktostes <mktostes@uol.com.br> wrote:

> Dear Anne,
>
> I am also working on private speech, so I am attaching my references
> related especifically to private speech. Not all of the studies are
> related
> to adults, but most of them are. You'll probably find more on Lantolf's
> page. Ok, found it! Lantolf has provided a nice list, available at
> http://language.la.psu.edu/aplng597f/VL2BIB.html
>
> Very briefly, as you are going to see, some aspects related to the
> non-ocurrence of private speech are cultural factors (McCafferty, 1994;
> Centeno-Cortés, 2003); learners' learning styles (Centeno-Cortés, 2003;
> Saville-Troike, 1988); their psychological characteristics; sometimes the
> environment, due to its predominant social or colaborative character and
> also the social or cognitive orientantion of students, according to
> (Saville-Troike, 1988). The approach used by the teacher can also inhibit
> its emergence.
>
> In my opinion, not only those aspects cause a certain problem in the
> emergence of PV, but the question of 'training' students to use private
> speech (or anything else) sounds too behavioristic. I think we could try
> to
> create a classroom environment where PV is not marginalized and show
> students that we, as teachers, are listening, paying attention to those
> utterances and respond to them. Try to bring those utterances, which show
> a
> dialogue the student is having with other voices, other utterances, into
> the
> dialogue that is being established among the interlocutors in the
> classroom.
> What I think we could try to do is work towards a more reflexive approach
> towards foreign languge learning.
>
> And, speaking of deep waters, I do think that the issue of Private Speech
> fits this category. I don't think that many of the studies I've reviewed
> managed to really grasp the concept of egocentric speech and inner speech
> Vygotsky developed. Also, many of the problems pinpointed by Flavell
> (1966)
> and Diaz (1992) still persist. Not to mention other problems not addressed
> by them, including not only how PV is conceived but how researchers
> conceive
> language. At the same time, some researchers still show great influence
> from
> cognitivism and some, a Piagetian influence. I'm not saying that we should
> just throw away anything that is related to Piaget or Cognitivist
> approaches
> (or whatever theory), but we have to carefully analyse if what we are
> using
> is compatible with the concepts developed in the cultural-historical
> perspective.
>
> Well, good luck!
>
> Karin Quast
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Mendelson" <
> amendelson@berkeley.edu>
> To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:46 AM
> Subject: RE: [xmca] A request for guidance
>
>
> I suggest checking out
> Lantolf, J. P., & Thorne, S. L. (2006). Sociocultural theory and the
> Genesis
> of L2 Development. Oxford: Oxford Univeristy Press.
>
> I don't have the book with me now, but I know that they review/mention at
> least a couple empirical studies that address inner speech.
>
> There may also be relevant work in
> Lantolf, J. (Ed.). (2000). Sociocultural theory and second language
> learning. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Adam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of anne radowick
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:24 AM
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: [xmca] A request for guidance
>
> Dear Professors,
>
> I have been on the side of the pool watching you all frolicking in the
> deep
> waters. Can I ask you to come over in to the not-so-deep end for a moment?
>
> I am trying to write a paper on private and inner speech in second
> language
> learners, particularly adults. Perhaps I haven't worded my search requests
> quite right up until now, but I am not finding an abundance of information
> on adults. Would anyone happen to know in which direction I should turn to
> find someone who has done any research on this topic? I would like to
> compare the success in SLA between adults who are active producers of
> private speech and those who don't seem to use it much, if at all. If
> there
> is a clear advantage, can learners be trained to consciously produce more
> private speech to enhance their SLL experience?
>
> Any pointers you might be able to offer on this subject would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Very truly yours,
>
> Anne Radowick
> Inha University
> Incheon, Korea
>
>
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