RES: [xmca] Vygotsky x Lukács

Vera, I have clarity that Lukacs didn't write on zdp. But he developed the
concept of possible conscience in the year of 1918–I think that this concept
can have been helping vyg, to develop the zdp concept–it is this that I am
trying to know...

Joao

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De: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] Em nome
de Vera Steiner
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 18 de abril de 2008 13:41
Para: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Assunto: Re: [xmca] Vygotsky x Lukács

Interesting topic.
I doubt that Lukacs has written anything related to zpd, but there are
some interesting commonalities between these two
thinkers. They were both deeply involved in literature and film as a
part of their formulating their broader theories.
Lukacs's interest in consciousness has some similarity with Vygotsky.
But perhaps most importantly they were humanist Marxists. Lukacs
supported the anti-Stalinist, short-lived premier of Hungary, Imre Nagy
in 1956, and you all know
about Vygotsky's suppressed legacy during the worst on those years.
Vera

Mike Cole wrote:

>Thanks Jim. It appears other are picking up on the topic. If it develops,
we
>will send you a summary of what you might have learned if you had sticked
>with it!!
>mike
>
>On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:02 AM, <jwertsch@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>>It's been a long time since I have said anything about Lukács. He was
>>part of my reading and thinking at one point, but I am afraid that was
>>years ago. I believe the only time I tried to use him was in a chapter in
>>Luis Moll's volume. The reference is:
>>
>>The voice of rationality in a sociocultural approach to mind. In L.C. Moll
>>(Ed.), Vygotsky and education: Instructional implications and applications
>>of sociohistorical psychology. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
>>1990.
>>pp. 111-126.
>>
>>Wish I could be of more help, but I just have not kept up on Lukács and
>>related issues for quite a while now.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Lets ask Jim Wertsch who has written some on Lukacs. Very relevant to
>>>current debates about individual.collective zopeds, Joao. Thanks, we are
>>>discussing this a lot in our course with UCLA and Berkeley.
>>>mike
>>>
>>>On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Joao Batista <
>>>
>>>
>>jbmartin@sercomtel.com.br>
>>
>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is it possible we establish a relationship between Vygotsky and Lukács
>>>>in
>>>>the elaboration of the concept of proximal development zone?
>>>>
>>>>Joao Martins
>>>>
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