Re: [xmca] Did the Butterfly Leave the Cocoon, and then what?

Mike,

It's a good question. My presumption would be that V was *trying*, with all
of his work, to put this program into practice.

But first I need to figure out some of the details a bit better. Some time
ago I posted a passage about ontology from the Crisis that doesn't yet make
sense to me. I need to get clearer on where V was looking, and how.

On nomothetic: there's the example of Pavlov's work on reflexes that V
himself discusses... By studying salivation in dogs, he was studying
reflexes in animals.... It's late: more tomorrow

Martin

On 2/22/08 5:28 PM, "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Martine-- Sorry to be obtuse. Trying for the opposite.
> If LSV created a new psychology that did away with the two psychologies of
> his predecessors, and did that not by superceding them, but by extinguishing
> one of them entirely,
> what is the evidence that he did so? everything he wrote?
> Can't be. He disagreed with himself over time.
>
> I was looking for a program of empirical research that met his criteria.
> One. Not saying there are none. Just end up being lost as to which one(s)
> fit the needed characteristics. For example ................................
>
> It is the process of getting to nomothetic laws from individual cases that
> I was worrying out, which is why I mentioned Luria romantic science
> examples.
>
> I get the part about nonothetic "of or relating to the study or discovery of
> general scientific laws. Often contrasted with idiographic ." But generally
> such laws are derived from regularities across many individual examples. My
> understanding is that LSV methodology allowed him to derive or arrive at
> general laws from study of individual cases. Again, how? What example?
>
> Maybe I am simply stuck in a time warp.,
> mike
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>
>> It's not clicking, Mike. Can't we consider V's own work a realization?
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/08 2:26 PM, "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Where is the program realized, Martin?
>>> As David Kel pointed out in an earlier message, in LSV you thoughts and
>>> words, in ANL you have actions and activities.
>>
>> V gas plenty of action too. Not sure about activities.
>>
>> Thoughts are to be understood
>>> inside a materialist psychology, presumably using some form of
>> philosophny
>>> as Ilyenkov's .
>>>
>>> How could nomothetic science be relevant?
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like V to me.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
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