Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers

I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree, there should
be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and development
as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory ( See
Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning Activity. *Journal
of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina tsukerman has a
fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching and
learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact translation of this
book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book " Types of
generalizations in teaching and learning"

In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies addressing
the claim of direct transfer of the abilities developed in the course of
quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other spheres of life including
moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social development, etc. We
had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin, Galina Tsukerman and others on
this issue and there were numerous observations that children educated in
the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum) were active learners, questioning
the status quo, capable to work collaboratively, comfortable with
uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the unknown areas of study, quite
comfortably ascending from abstract to concrete...:-) Daniil Elkonin in his
scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation' developed in the course
of becoming a subject of leading activity transforms the system of
relationships among previously internalized 'neoformations', and such
transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of theoretical thinking
during the learning activity thansforms the
previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific studies
addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.

Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of learning
here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore development/learning;

1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and meanings in
development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's inspired
teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New York, Moscow,
...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)

2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long learning. ( i was
excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in court...sorry,
reflection on the side)

3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/critical
analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and learning (
CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.

4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new forms of
co-being and their impact on the course of learning and development...

5. other?

These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly suggest...use or discard
if they are out of the context of your thinking...
Elina

On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> How about we avoid either/or thinking?
> Re Davydov/Elkonin.
>
> YES, we all need to know about it.
> But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its claims is kind
> of
> odd to
> me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
>
> BUT
>
> Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been devoted to
> VVD,
> and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of Jean
> Shmittau?
> Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of signs?
> mike
>
> PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing contributors!
>
> On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>
> > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
> > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
> > ~ Em
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu ]
> On
> > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> >
> > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the discussion
> > with
> > my question!
> > Elina
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that discussion? I've
> been
> > > out of the loop at bit lately.
> > > ~ Em
> > >
> > >
> > > Emily Duvall
> > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
> > > University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
> > > 1000 W. Hubbard Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
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> > >
> > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by
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> > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
> > > To: David Preiss
> > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > >
> > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective article
> > idea.
> > > I would think that checking out the discussion on development between
>
> > > San
> > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
> > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to start to
> > > connect.
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What might be
> the
> > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David Preiss
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not as well
> read
> > as
> > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of some
> > assistance.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
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Elina Lampert-Shepel
Assistant Professor
Graduate School of Education
Mercy College New Teacher Residency Program
Mercy College
66 West 35th Street
New York, NY 10001
(212) 615 3367
I have on my table a violin string. It is free. I twist one end of
it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
is free to be a violin string.
              Sir  Rabindranath  Tagore.
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