Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?

The classic Zen (or Chan) Buddhist dialogue is the koan. e.g,, Does a dog have Buddha nature? or How much does mu weigh? The answers to these always depend on a direct intuitive experience that cannot be rationally deduced.
   
  In that light an actvity theoretic koan occurred to me thinking about the thread on "mind": Where are you when you're minding your own business?
   
  Paul

Ana Marjanovic-Shane <ana@zmajcenter.org> wrote:
  It is interesting that you connect Zen with dialogic thought!
Ana

Cunningham, Donald James wrote:
> Not to get too Zen here, but if, as many argue, thinking is dialogical, we cannot think without another, real or imagined.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 PM
> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>
> With whom are we thinking?
> Ana
>
> Mike Cole wrote:
>
>> With what are we thinking, Don?
>> mike
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2007 4:43 PM, Cunningham, Donald James
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Eugene, should your signature question be "What do we think?" instead of
>>> "What do you think?"? Or "What are we thinking with? [forgive the grammar!]?
>>>
>>> Don Cunningham
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of Eugene Matusov
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:46 AM
>>> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu
>>> Cc: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>>
>>> Dear Mike and everybody-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me add my 3 cents (dollar is going down ;-) for this discussion. I
>>> think
>>> it is better to use the verb "to mind" or "minding" than the noun "the
>>> mind"
>>> since we often refer to a process rather than to a thing. In general, I
>>> agree with Mike, of course. But let tell you an anecdote to illustrate the
>>> "distributed" (or discursive?) nature of the minding process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A few days ago, when I was leaving my work, I could not find my car in the
>>> university 4-store building parking garage. As my memory has been getting
>>> more and more mature ;-) every day, I knew that it would happen one day
>>> and
>>> that day came. While I was frustrating in my search running from one
>>> store
>>> of the parking garage to another, I realized that on the top of forgetting
>>> where I had parked my car, I forget to pick up a video camera from my lab
>>> for next day videotaped observation of Lego-Logo Robotics activities at
>>> the
>>> Latin-American Community Center. With even more frustration, I went back
>>> to
>>> my lab to pick up the camera. At the lab, I realized that I forgot to send
>>> a
>>> web announcement to my undergrad students about reading for upcoming class
>>> discussion. I sent the announcement and made some emails, and did some
>>> other
>>> work while I was in lab. When I finished, I realized that it took about 2
>>> hours. I came back to the parking garage (with the video camera this time)
>>> to resume the search of my car, the garage was almost empty, and I found
>>> my
>>> car very easily. I was thinking about my "strategy" of "waiting" until the
>>> garage became empty, "That was smart!" Now I am thinking, where was my
>>> mind?
>>> Did I have mind at all? Was it minding? Was it MY minding? Did I lose mind
>>> and then found? Does mind, like sh..., sometimes simply happen?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or is "my mind" a historical and cultural form of discourse for me to
>>> notice/recognize certain things and use them in future (like in future
>>> when
>>> I lose my car in the UD parking garage I might stop frustrating and stop
>>> useless searching efforts and just go back to my office to work more
>>> waiting
>>> until cars will be gone from the garage)? Is "the mind" reification of
>>> this
>>> discourse?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> Eugene Matusov, Ph.D.
>>>
>>> Professor of Education
>>>
>>> School of Education
>>>
>>> University of Delaware
>>>
>>> Newark, DE 19716, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> email: ematusov@udel.edu
>>>
>>> fax: 1-(302)-831-4110
>>>
>>> website: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu
>>>
>>> publications: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/vita/publications.htm
>>>
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM
>>> To: Eugene Matusov
>>> Subject: Fwd: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Mike Cole
>>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 8:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
>>> Cc: Kevin Rocap >
>>>
>>>
>>> This appears to be the responibility of Deleware and Louisiana. Eugene and
>>> David?
>>>
>>> My view? OF COURSE the mind is in the head.... but not only. If it were
>>> only
>>> in the head it would stay
>>> there and not kill people. Too damned good at killing people as it is!
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2007 8:16 PM, Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià >>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Rocap escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then who's minding the store? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All:
>>>>>
>>>>> An online paper from the authors is at:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.udel.edu/Philosophy/papers/adams2007.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> They said that "the mind is still in the head".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Juan Felipe Espinosa C.
>>>>> jfespino@uc.cl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/4/07 11:20 AM, "Peter Smagorinsky" < smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Martin--always useful to see a contrary perspective. The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> descriptor
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> says that the book:
>>>>>>> "Articulates and defends the "mark of the cognitive", a common sense
>>>>>>> theory
>>>>>>> used to distinguish between cognitive and non-cognitive processes"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always wonder about "common sense" arguments, and the author's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> belief
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they are beyond culture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Smagorinsky
>>>>>>> The University of Georgia
>>>>>>> 125 Aderhold Hall
>>>>>>> Athens, GA 30602
>>>>>>> smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
>>>>>>> http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>>>>
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