Re: [xmca] Progress Pubishers

I have all 6 myself purchased off Amazon and abebooks. Unimelb library had
the first 4 volumes when I last looked. Outrageous.
Anyway, I just checked
http://cat.lib.unimelb.edu.au/search/aVygotskii/avygotskii/1%2C2%2C12%2CB/exact&FF=avygotskii+l+s+lev+semenovich+1896+1934&1%2C11%2C/indexsort=-
and they now do have the complete set. I did complain before, when I
discovered they didn't have the full set, and maybe my complaint had an
effect!!

Andy
At 05:54 PM 30/11/2007 -0800, Mike wrote:
>mike
>PS-- I believe I have at least one extra copy of V1 of LSV collected works.
>I could think about "gifting" Melbourne you, if they would start "friending"
>this effort! :-)
>
>
>On Nov 30, 2007 5:40 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > This raises broader issues Mike. For example, the Melbourne University
> > library has only 4 of the 6 volumes of LSV's CW, nothing at all by AN
> > Leontyev or AA Leontyev. Both the CPs who used to sell Ilyenkov,
> > Meshcheyarkov, Mikhailov and so on 20 years ago are now closed. Let alone
> > these less famous, now-living Russian writers. But there is a huge market
> > for this literature, but its availability is very poor.
> >
> > IMHO, a good steady income good be generated for our dear colleagues in
> > Russia by them providing hard copies of books form the Soviet era and
> > identifying the author and/or family to whom rights ought to accrue, and
> > working as translators putting Russian works into as many foreign
> > languages
> > as possible, where Progress editions are not yet available.
> >
> > IMHO, a big US or UK publisher should be engaged to produce the output in
> > nice big expensive hardbacks to be marketed to libraries, with agreement
> > that a certain percentage of the output be distributed freely in
> > electronic
> > form. In my opinion, free distribution of electronic texts will not only
> > ensure access to a wider audience but will help build the reputation of
> > writers and generate more sales to libraries. Campus-wide subscriptions to
> > electronic copies of the whole set would be saleable too. I guess we need
> > a
> > person in publishing to manage it. Perhaps someone already sustained on
> > an
> > academic salary somewhere?
> >
> > I am an opponent of intellectual property, but while our comrades in
> > Russia
> > are so poor, it is hardly fair to deny them this possible income.
> >
> > Andy
> > At 04:28 PM 30/11/2007 -0800, you wrote:
> > >This summary fills in what I surmised as a plausible script, Andy.
> > >In this case, I think it would be an act of friendship to contact
> > Vasiliuk
> > >and see if he would like to see his book published in the US in English
> > >from the Progress version. It would relatively easy to get an e-book
> > >published
> > >that might bring him some royalties. And if he is the same boat as most
> > >Russian academic psychologists, he could probably use the money.
> > >
> > >I will try to contact him through a friend but others here may be able to
> > do
> > >so more directly. In which case, whoever, please do. Por favor and
> > >pozhalusta also.
> > >mike
> > >
> > >On Nov 30, 2007 2:55 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul, we have to deal with the issue of Progress Publishers a great
> > deal
> > > > on
> > > > the MIA, and here is how we see it.
> > > > So far as we know, Progress Publishers in the former USSR has
> > > > transmogrified into a very low-grade outfit that doesn't care a fig
> > for
> > > > its
> > > > old Marxist works. Also, since before 1991, Progress was the official
> > > > publishing house of the Soviet state, under international copyright
> > law,
> > > > what a state publishes is by definition in the public domain. Now, I
> > > > understand that there have been counter claims coming from other
> > former
> > > > state publishers, with for example, Che Guevara's daughter claiming
> > and
> > > > enforcing her rights in her father's writings published by a state
> > which
> > > > militantly opposed intellectual property, but so far as I know, PP
> > cannot
> > > > make any claim on material publishes during the Soviet era. The moral
> > > > rights of living authors and the claims of their family estates is
> > > > something else. I am not a lawyer and I don't know if these claims
> > have
> > > > been challenged, but I suspect that no-one on this list or the MIA
> > would
> > > > stand against the claims of the authors or their families.
> > > >
> > > > But as well, Progress Publishers worked in collaboration with
> > > > International
> > > > Publishers in the USA and Lawrence and Wishart in the UK and many
> > other
> > > > such companies in capitalist countries around the world, companies
> > which
> > > > were in the private domain then and remain so, and insofar as they
> > could
> > > > prove that they were the creators of any content in works published in
> > > > collaboration with Progress, they could claim intellectual property.
> > In
> > > > this context, International Publishers, the publishing arms of the
> > > > Communist Party of the USA, claims intellectual property in the
> > > > Marx-Engels
> > > > Collected Works, jointly with L&W.
> > > >
> > > > The whole area is very messy and so far as I know untested in court
> > > > (thank
> > > > goodness). If people want to retain these works in the public domain
> > or
> > > > secure the rights of the families, then making new translations and
> > adding
> > > > editorial content and re-issuing them via a big bourgeois publisher in
> > the
> > > > US or Europe would be a good move. On the other hand, only the
> > authors, if
> > > > they are alive, or the moral claims of their families if they are not,
> > > > stand in the way of distributing USSR-era material not owned by L&W or
> > IP.
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > > At 01:33 PM 30/11/2007 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > >mike.
> > > > >
> > > > > your comment on Progress Publishers implies that it still exists
> > in
> > > > > some form. Would you expand a bit on that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > >Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hmmmm.Time to make a pdf copy? Can someone contact Vasiliuk to see
> > > > what his
> > > > >preferences are?
> > > > >Progress publishers exists no more, at least not its old form and the
> > > > >English translation may belong to him.
> > > > >Or nobody.
> > > > >
> > > > >Separately. there was a special issue of Soviet Psychology on Lydia
> > > > >Bozhovich a decade or more ago.
> > > > >mike
> > > > >
> > > > >On Nov 30, 2007 6:00 AM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Actually I went to buy Psychology of Experiencing today but all 3
> > are
> > > > out
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > stock, so we English-only readers will have to be patient. p
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter Smagorinsky
> > > > > > The University of Georgia
> > > > > > 125 Aderhold Hall
> > > > > > Athens, GA 30602
> > > > > > smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
> > > > > > http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > > On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:43 PM
> > > > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] L.I. Bozhovich and perezhivanie (Vasilyuk,
> > > > > > Psikhologiia
> > > > > > perezhivaniia, M., MGU, 1984)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you can get "Psychology of experiencing" and you are interested
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > concept of
> > > > > > perezhivanie (and you do not read Russian!) follow Peter's links.
> > > > > > mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:12 AM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks Anton--my grandparents were from Gomel, Belarus, but my
> > > > Russian
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > limited to "nyet" and "dasvadanya"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter Smagorinsky
> > > > > > > The University of Georgia
> > > > > > > 125 Aderhold Hall
> > > > > > > Athens, GA 30602
> > > > > > > smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
> > > > > > > http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > > > xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > > > > On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of Anton Yasnitsky
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:58 AM
> > > > > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] L.I. Bozhovich and perezhivanie (Vasilyuk,
> > > > > > > Psikhologiia
> > > > > > > perezhivaniia, M., MGU, 1984)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not sure if you, Peter, can read Russian, - so, I don't
> > know if
> > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > of any help to you, -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > anyway, Vasilyuk's book is available in the original online FREE
> > ---
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > e.g. here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.psylib.ukrweb.net/books/vasif01/index.htm or here:
> > > > > > > http://www.koob.ru/vasiluk_f_e/psihologiya_perejivaniya or even
> > > > here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.ladoshki.com/10765_books_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%9F%D1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> %81%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5
> > > > > > > %D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Btw, Vasilyuk is a "he" :) -- cf.:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://files.ladoshki.com/data/bookcatalog/Vasilyuk_Fedor_Efimovich/pics/F.V
> > > > > > > asilyuk%20-%20Psihologiya%20perezhivaniya.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I understand it, Cuban-born, Brazil-abode?
> > > > > > > > I don't have Vasiliuk, but s/he's available on the cheap:
> > > > > > > > http://www.ecampus.com/book/5010005042
> > > > > > > > http://www.textbookx.com/detail-book-5010005042.html
> > > > > > > > http://biggerbooks.com/bk_detail.aspx?isbn=5010005042
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Peter Smagorinsky
> > > > > > > > The University of Georgia
> > > > > > > > 125 Aderhold Hall
> > > > > > > > Athens, GA 30602
> > > > > > > > smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
> > > > > > > > http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > > > xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > > > > > > On
> > > > > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:51 AM
> > > > > > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] L.I. Bozhovich and perezhivanie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Peter-- Thanks for that reminder. Fernando Rey is currently
> > > > working
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Brazilia I believe.
> > > > > > > > You have Vasiliuk, *The psychology of experiencing"
> > > > (perezhivanie)??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 3:34 AM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > While trying to learn more about L.I. Bozhovich and
> > > > perezhivanie, I
> > > > > > > > came
> > > > > > > > > across a paper at
> www.fae.unicamp.br/br2000/trabs/1760.docthat
> > > > > > > > concerns
> > > > > > > > > Vygotsky and personality-thought others might be interested
> > (and
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > > apologies if it's already been posted and I missed it-I've
> > only
> > > > had
> > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > skim xmca posts of late). Peter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter Smagorinsky
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The University of Georgia
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 125 Aderhold Hall
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Athens, GA 30602
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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