Re: [xmca] What new and interesting?

Hi Michael,

OK, we're in agreement on the point that has to be made. The question then
is how best to make it. In the movement for mixed methods, which seems to be
founded unquestioningly on the kind of division of labor that Shavelson
summarizes, with qualitative research relegated once more to the
descriptive, hypothesis-testing phase, to be used only when more ´powerful´
designs are unavailable? On in a critique of the dubious assumptions
underlying quantitative research: of a world of natural, independent
entities with purely causal relations? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm inclined
to go for the second option. Do you find the first option more appropriate
strategically/epistemologically/ethically?

Martin

On 3/31/08 11:34 AM, "Wolff-Michael Roth" <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> this is PRECISELY the point the book makes in its final chapter, at
> least one, mine; it is also a point others make, that generalization
> is not relegated to the clinical paradigm but that qualitative
> research (e.g., in the phenomenological work a la Husserl) is making
> very generalized statements about cognition or Merleau-Ponty on
> knowing and learning (now confirmed in neurocognitive studies).
>
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 31-Mar-08, at 9:17 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I have mixed reactions to your message! :) Shavelson, one of the
> presenters, has articulated a position that seems similar to yours:
>
> Overall, ³It¹s the question ­ not the method ­ that should drive
> the design
> of education research or any other scientific research. That is,
> investigators ought to design a study to answer the question that
> they think
> is important, not fit the question to a convenient or popular design²
> (Shavelson & Towne, 2004).
>
> But then his NRC committee went on to identify the methods most
> appropriate
> to answer three fundamental types of question: (1) What¹s happening?
> (2) Is
> there a systematic (causal) effect? and (3) What is the causal
> mechanism or
> how does it work? They concluded that the first type of question is
> asking
> for a description, which they recommended should be provided by a
> survey,
> ethnographic methods, or a case study. The second type of question is
> asking
> Did X cause Y? Here the most desirable method is a randomized clinical
> trial. Quasi-experimental, correlational, or time-series studies may by
> needed when random assignment is either impractical or unethical, but
> ³logically randomized trials should be the preferred method if they are
> feasible and ethical to do.² The third type of question ­ how does it
> work?
> ­ asks for identification of the causal mechanism that creates a
> described
> effect. Here it seems mixed methods could do the job. (The committee
> seemed
> a bit confused here, perhaps because they believe that causal
> mechanisms can
> never be directly observed.)
>
> A significant problem with these recommendations, well-intended
> though they
> undoubtedly are, is that they perpetuate a widely held but incorrect
> belief
> that qualitative research can answer only descriptive questions, while
> quantitative research is able to answer explanatory questions and
> that such
> questions are always answered by identifying a causal mechanism. If this
> were so, qualitative research would be adequate for generating
> hypotheses,
> but measurement and experimentation would be needed to test these
> hypotheses. Experimentation, the committee asserts, ³is still the single
> best methodological route to ferreting out systematic relations between
> actions and outcomes² (Feuer, Towne & Shavelson, 2002, p. 8).
> Although they
> say they regret that ³the rhetoric of scientifically based research in
> education seems to denigrate the legitimate role of qualitative
> methods in
> elucidating the complexities of teaching, learning, and schooling,²
> they see
> this ³legitimate role² as a limited one: ³When a problem is poorly
> understood and plausible hypotheses are scant ­ as is the case in
> many areas
> of education ­ qualitative methods such as ethnographiesŠ are
> necessary to
> describe complex phenomena, generate models, and reframe
> questions² (p. 8).
>
> In my view this is a sadly limited and completely inaccurate
> conception of
> qualitative research, and indeed of research itself.
>
> Feuer, M. J., Towne, L., & Shavelson, R. J. (2002). Scientific
> culture and
> educational research. Educational Researcher, 31(8), 4-14.
>
> Shavelson, R. J., & Towne, L. (2004). What drives scientific research in
> education? American Psychological Society Observer, 17(4).
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 3/31/08 7:14 AM, "Wolff-Michael Roth" <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>> I am a trained statistician and quantitative modeler (physical
>> systems as a physicist, neural networks) who asks questions that
>> require a lot of qualitative categorical work, so developed
>> competencies in a panoply of methods, and now have become a
>> qualitative methodologist. As such, I happened to be asked a few
>> years back to write a chapter with a statistician (Kadriye Ercikan),
>> the co-organizer of the session you are referring to. As we were
>> writing this chapter, we saw that the opposition of quantitative/
>> qualitative does not assist researchers a lot and that organizing
>> research from a method perspective is not a good one, an
>> understanding I developed through years of experience teaching
>> statistics and qualitative interpretive methods. (I also co-edit an
>> online journal on qual methods, its called FQS: Forum Qualitative
>> Social Research).
>>
>> Kadriye and I then decided to write an article for Educational
>> Researcher, which was published in 2006. And now we are almost
>> finished editing this book entitled "Generalizing from Educational
>> Research" (Routledge/Taylor&Francis) where people from all sorts of
>> methods backgrounds contribute, including Bachmann (applied ling),
>> Allan Luke, Margaret Eisenhart (anthrop), Jim Gee, Ken Tobin, Rich
>> Shavelson, Pam Moss, Willy Solano, and others. It is an exciting
>> project, as people seem to agree that we need to move away from the
>> polarity of research methods to begin asking questions that matter.
>>
>> I would therefore not ask or contest LSV into one or the other camp.
>> I would ask questions along the lines LSV suggested we ask and then
>> pose the subsidiary question, "How do I answer this question?" A well-
>> formed research question tends to IMPLY the method, or so I show my
>> graduate students.
>>
>> You will have noticed that in my Vygotsky talk, I used purely
>> mathematical methods for the analysis of vocal parameters. . .
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 30-Mar-08, at 8:59 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
>>
>> I am curious about a session I was unable to attend, one on mixed
>> methods
>> which I know Mike attended, and at which Michael Roth presented. One
>> of the
>> other presenters was Pamela Moss from U of Michigan - several years
>> ago
>> Pamela and I designed and co-taught a 2-semester graduate course on
>> integrated research methods, which I think was unique at the time, so
>> I'm
>> curious to discover what is now state of the art. I'm also curious
>> because
>> the AERA session I organized was titled "Vygotsky's Qualitative
>> Methodology," and some questions were raised there about whether this
>> is an
>> appropriate label for CHAT research. Is it qualitative, mixed, or ..?
>>
>> Can people who attended that session share their impressions?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/08 8:35 AM, "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I thought it might be interesting to all if everyone took a few
>>> minutes
>>> either to report on some interesting talk or paper they have
>>> encountered
>>> recently, or a new idea that they
>>> have had that others might have something to contribute to, and
>>> post it
>>> here. (This includes, in my case, ideas that came up from people
>>> whose work
>>> we have discussed here!).
>>>
>>> I'll post a couple of such ideas as examples a lilttle later, but
>>> want to
>>> float the suggestion while I have a minute.
>>>
>>> mike
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