Re: [xmca] blog alternative to email list

Hi!

I'm one of those who voted on the article but proceeded not to comment. :)
My main problem is that most of the discussion on this list is way over my
head so I am attempting to just soak it all in like a dry sponge...only I'm
more like a wet sponge that needs to continually be squeezed so that I can
soak up more, but the squeezed out water just ends up back in the bucket,
and I've probably killed the analogy...

Anyway, a blog would be quite nice, but I don't think things have to be
either-or. Isn't there some sort of app out there that is a blog that
emails people? Or maybe the posts on here can automatically be fed into a
blog... Perhaps what we really want is a threaded discussion board that
emails people...

In the meantime, I'll continue to just soak as much as possible while trying
not to suck.

mark

On 6/21/07, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All--
>
> Replying to this message provides an apt opportunity to discuss a few
> central
> issues in the continued operation of XMCA.
>
> The changeover for signing in was quite painful, but seems to have been
> accomplished
> just fine. Now if you go to http://lchc/cgi-bin/xmca/subscriber_list.phpyou
> will see that members can log in and fill out a little info themselves.
> Unsubscribing can be done here
> as well without bothering the members at large.
>
> I understand the enthusiasm of some for a blog. At least for the present I
> am not
> enthusiastic about this idea. There are several reasons.
>
> 1. It would require creating a new support infrastructure.
> 2. Many web newbies are not going to be familiar with, or comfortable with
> a
> blog.
> 3. The threaded discourse option at xmca offers a close equivalent to a
> blog
> and is
> in place.
> 4. Many of those who favor a blog have never made a single contribution to
> the ongoing
> discussion at xmca, and many of those who do contribute are not
> enthusiastic about
> a blog.
>
> How to interpret #4? Is it that all the blog advocates would be
> contributing to xmca if it were a blog? I doubt that, but its possible. Is
> it that older members of xmca, who do contribute to the discussion are
> less
> comfortable with blogs? This seems possible?
> In any event, if the blog enthusiasts would like to jump in and help
> create
> an xmca blog
> and try it out, we here at ucsd would be glad to help by providing
> whatever
> info we can, but the volunteers would be responsible for keeping track of
> posters, keeping up the archive,
> making it accessible, etc.
>
> Perhaps an interesting middle way to experiment would be to have the
> upcoming, in the fall, XMCA course use a blog so people could try it out.
> (The issue of this course will be
> dealt with in a separate message).
>
> Another issue related to posting. Somewhere near 100 people voted for a
> discussion of the
> Shaffer and Clinton article. It is chock a block full of interesting,
> relevant ideas to this
> forum. VERY few people have taken the trouble to comment. Of course, there
> can be
> all sorts of explanations. Summer has started, people are away, or busy
> catching up, or
> or or or or....... But the fact remains that XMCA is a lousy spectator
> sport
> and learning,
> I believe we all believe, should be an active process.
>
> Why is it that we get a lot of activity discussing the medium, but avoid
> engaging its content?
> I do not think that shifting to a blog would solve this problem, but
> perhaps. Meantime,
> what do you think of the idea of toolforthought? Do you believe that
> agency
> should be
> equally attributed to artifacts and people? Do you believe that new
> computational media
> reduce the necessity of learning how to subtract 105 from 204? Do you
> think
> that
> David and Katherine have reinvented Vygotsky's criticism of the telephone
> operater
> mediated telephone network?
>
> What do you think about all of this?
> mike
>
> On 6/21/07, jmgdo@berkeley.edu <jmgdo@berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. I love the blog idea. The "blogosphere" as its called (I am a
> > particularly blog-loving member and participant) offers a wonderful
> shared
> > space for community building. And its definitely the emerging media of
> > "collaborative environment".
> >
> > My only practical concern is that every person who "posts" (rather than
> > comments) must be invited into the blog as a contributor.
> >
> >
> > > My 2 cents. Frankly, Email or 'listserv' is not a collaboration
> > > environment. Collaboration needs a 'shared' environment... email
> > > 'listsrve'
> > > is simply crises-cross way of incomplete communication method - not
> > > collaboration. New way of collaborating environments, say blogs, are
> > > efficient and easier to extract 'knowledge' from the gathered
> 'content'.
> > >
> > > On Blog platforms, you have an option to subscribe/post new content
> via
> > > Email or RSS based on their own frequency - real-time, once a day or
> > > whatever and those who do not want to be interrupted with emails...
> can
> > > visit blogs on their own time and contribute. Things in the world are
> > > changing at an alarming rate that means we need to get on to new way
> of
> > > collaboration starting 'yesterday' and not 'tomorrow', especially the
> > > academia - the teaching community. Perhaps you may have seen this clip
> > at
> > > the YouTube but here are some facts..
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65wE6yFYgP8
> > >
> > > Enjoy...
> > > ---
> > > Naeem Hashmi
> > > Chief Research Officer
> > > Information Frameworks
> > > T: 603-552-5171 M: 603-661-6820
> > > W: http://infoframeworks.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Smagorinsky" <smago@uga.edu>
> > > To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:17 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [xmca] blog alternative to email list
> > >
> > >
> > >> add my vote for a regular old listserv. No way I'd do this if it
> meant
> > >> keeping up with a blog. p
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Peter Smagorinsky
> > >> The University of Georgia
> > >> Department of Language and Literacy Education
> > >> 125 Aderhold Hall
> > >> Athens, GA 30602-7123
> > >> smago@uga.edu /fax:706-542-4509/phone:706-542-4507/
> > >> http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> ]
> > >> On
> > >> Behalf Of Vera Steiner
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:07 PM
> > >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > >> Subject: Re: [xmca] blog alternative to email list
> > >>
> > >> I agree with Carol. It is much simpler as most of us check e-mail
> > >> messages
> > >> once a day, Vera
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Carol Macdonald wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Carol Macdonald says:
> > >>>
> > >>> I read the e-mails, whereas I might not migrate to a blog of my own
> > >>> initiative when very busy.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 19/06/07, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I agree with Naeem on this. I think a blog would be a far superior
> > >>>> platform; and that if we were starting now from scratch, that is
> how
> > >>>> we'd
> > >>>> do it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Naeem Hashmi wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > Agree with Diarmuid.. Interesting forum but instead of going
> back
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> 'old
> > >>>> > email" distribution method, perhaps best is use a 'blog' forum.
> > >>>> Goal is
> > >>>> > achieved without constant 'emeil' interruptions...
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Naeem
> > >>>> > ---
> > >>>> > Naeem Hashmi
> > >>>> > Chief Research Officer
> > >>>> > Information Frameworks
> > >>>> > T: 603-552-5171 M: 603-661-6820
> > >>>> > W: http://infoframeworks.com
> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diarmuid Fogarty"
> > >>>> > <diarmuid@madasafish.com>
> > >>>> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:21 PM
> > >>>> > Subject: Re: Is there a Ph.D. in "science" Re: [xmca] Fwd: New
> > >>>> > DegreeProgramsOxford
> > >>>> >
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