Re: [xmca] Another Textological Question

Major thought? Gratitude for your presence.
mike

On 4/28/07, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Clarifications and important distinctions re V.
> V. Ivanov:
>
> I believe, there are at least (!) two discitnct
> individuals under the name of V. V. Ivanov
> involved in this story. "Koma" Ivanov is the son,
> whereas I would doubt that his father would have
> the same nick name (cf.
>
> http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0+%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%22
> ). Thus:
>
> 1. V. V. Ivanov-pere:
> Vsevolod Vyacheslavovich Ivanov - a notable
> Soviet writer, "the novelist", etc. (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsevolod_Ivanov )
>
> 2. V. V. Ivanov-fils:
> Vyacheslav Vsevolodovich Ivanov - a prominent
> Soviet/Russian philologist linguisit; major
> contributions in the fields of historical and
> compratative Indo-European linguistics, semiotics
> (Tartu-Moscow Semiotic School) and mathematical
> linguistics. His poetry was first published in
> 1981, also published memoirs (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Vsevolodovich_Ivanov
> ). As to Vygotsky, his "psychology of Art" was
> first published in 1965 (second edition - 1968),
> in the Soviet Union (Iskusstvo publishing), in
> the original (i.e. in Russian). The editor of the
> volume was V. V. "Koma" Ivanov; with Introductory
> article by A. N. Leontiev and roughly 60 pages of
> Commentaries by Vygotsky himslef and the editor
> of the volume. So, quite understandably, he later
> referred to that as "Koma"-ntaries (I guess, this
> was "Komantarii").
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Finally. Chukovsky's anti-semitism??? Perhaps,
> ant-anti-semitism, given what he did and wrote?!
> I am a bit confused and wondering where this
> immature (I should have said - absurd and
> ridiculous!) conclusion comes from. Also, the
> whole issue of the LSV-Chukovsky interrelations
> is, imho, totally misunderstood and misconstrued
> (
> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/xmcamail.2006_11.dir/0078.html
> ), from LSV's critique of Chukovsky to
> Chukovsky's hypothetical critique of the "Kharkov
> school"...
>
> In this context, I would suggest a nice reading:
> a piece of writing that originated within the
> national-patriotic camp in the contemporary
> Russia where Chukovsky is criticized exactly for
> his anti-anti-semtism (
> http://www.duel.ru/199620/?20_7_1 ). It is
> available in Russian only, though...
>
> Any thoughts?..
>
>
> --- Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll let the experts reply on other matters,
> > David. But VV Ivanov, perhaps
> > son of VV Ivanov whose inscription you describe
> > (?) (both refered to as Koma
> > I believe) is still alive and one of the
> > leading
> > semioticians in Soviet/Russian arena. I do not
> > know of any novels he has
> > written. But he has written
> > a history of semiotics in the USSR which we are
> > conspiring to get into
> > English via the J. Russian and
> > East European Psychology. It features, among
> > others, Vygotsky and
> > Eisenshtein.
> >
> > The living VV is part time professor at UCLA.
> > Check him out on the web.
> > mike
> >
> > On 4/27/07, David Kellogg
> > <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On page 507 of Chukovsky's diary (2005, Yale
> > University Press), Chukovsky
> > > receives a copy of Vygotsky's "Psychology of
> > Art" from "Koma", who turns out
> > > to be none other than V. V. Ivanov, the
> > novelist. The inscription is
> > > (translated as) "Read this book
> > extraordinary/Don't forget the Koma-ntery".
> > >
> > > Interestingly, the 1971 MIT edition of "The
> > Psychology of Art" contains
> > > commentary by V. V. Ivanov (pp. 265-295). I
> > wonder...could it be the SAME
> > > volume? The obvious source would be his
> > grand-daughter and literary
> > > executor, Elena Chukovskaya.
> > >
> > > I'm also starting to rethink my views on
> > Chukovsky's anti-semitism.
> > > While he is certainly strongly anti-semitic
> > during the twenties, he
> > > eventually decides that anti-semitism is a
> > smokescreen for Stalinist
> > > anti-intellectualism, and there is far more
> > hatred of the "Black Hundreds"
> > > anti-semites than of the "Yids" in his pages.
> > >
> > > Finally, I'm starting to wonder if the
> > criticism that Vygotsky expresses
> > > of Chukovsky's "Crocodile" in "Educational
> > Psychology", so apparently at
> > > variance with his attitude towards fairy
> > tales and fantasy in "Psychology of
> > > Art" and even "The Role of Play in
> > Development", were simply the views of
> > > his boss Krupskaya.... That would explain why
> > they appear in a footnote.
> > >
> > > David Kellogg
> > > Seoul National University of Education
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
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