But this country has short memory, Mike, and an incompetent political
opposition with the demoractic party. Let us way and see...
David
Mike Cole writes:
> I believe it is too early to tell what depth and what kind of
> politicalization
> has occurred and will occurred. It is estimated that besides loss of life,
> property and
> infrastructure, 1 million people have lost work. What happens to them, along
> with many
> associated happenings, will exert a strong influence on whether or not these
> events
> are sufficient to changes the course of world events.
>
>
> On 9/3/05, Shirley Franklin <s.franklin@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>> This public outrage and expose seems to be one of the very few positive
>> outcomes of this man-made disaster.
>> So many more Americans must have become politicised than after 9.11?
>> Shirley
>> On 3 Sep 2005, at 21:45, Mike Cole wrote:
>>
>> > The Iraq/Katrina connections are in wide currency in local media
>> > coverage as well, Shirley. Many unvoiceable thoughts by unhearable
>> > people have exploded all over the US media, along with predictable
>> > moves to restore ideological as well as physical order.
>> >
>> > On 9/3/05, Shirley Franklin <s.franklin@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Our impression here in the UK is that people are very much relating
>> >> the disgusting neglect by the Bush Government of those hit by the
>> >> hurricane to the war and occupation of Iraq.
>> >> The Daily Mirror, a tabloid daily newspaper, published this today:
>> >> (Shirley Franklin)
>> >>
>> >> 3 September 2005
>> >> MICHAEL MOORE: DEAR MR BUSH
>> >> Dear Mr Bush,
>> >> Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane
>> >> Katrina
>> >> and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted.
>> >> Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do
>> >> you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot.
>> >> Man, was that a drag.
>> >> Also, any idea where all our National Guard soldiers are? We could
>> >> really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do
>> >> like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to
>> >> begin with?
>> >> Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of
>> >> Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then
>> >> but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there
>> >> were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this
>> >> storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody
>> >> tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know
>> >> how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to
>> >> and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!
>> >> I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying
>> >> to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps.
>> >> Don't let people criticize you for this - after all, the hurricane was
>> >> over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
>> >> And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you
>> >> specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New
>> >> Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them
>> >> that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there
>> >> weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you
>> >> had a much more important construction job for them - BUILDING
>> >> DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
>> >> Advertisement
>> >> On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I
>> >> was
>> >> moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds
>> >> as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the
>> >> disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand
>> >> on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done
>> >> that.
>> >> There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to
>> >> use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out.
>> >> Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this
>> >> would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter
>> >> and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all
>> >> their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a
>> >> hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado
>> >> that
>> >> stretched from New York to Cleveland.
>> >> No, Mr Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 per
>> >> cent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no
>> >> transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's
>> >> not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white
>> >> people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has
>> >> nothing - NOTHING - to do with this!
>> >> You hang in there, Mr Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army
>> >> helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and
>> >> the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
>> >> Yours, Michael Moore MMFlint@aol.com;
>> >> www.MichaelMoore.com <http://www.MichaelMoore.com><
>> http://www.MichaelMoore.com>
>> >> P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch.
>> >> She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now
>> >> driving
>> >> across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you
>> >> can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 3 Sep 2005, at 17:59, David Daniel Preiss Contreras wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Indeed, my humble impression, is that what Madame Katrina made more
>> >>> evident is the issue of the lack of social justice. But, from
>> >>> compasion to a real endorsement of new policies there is a huge step
>> >>> and, my pessimistic prediction, is that, when voting, people will
>> >>> care
>> >>> more about taxation and oil prices than social security, education
>> >>> and
>> >>> environment. And, who knows, maybe nobody will remember that there is
>> >>> a war going on up there in iraq.
>> >>> David
>> >>> Mike Cole writes:
>> >>>> I believe you may be underestimating the situation here, Phil. We
>> >>>> all
>> >>>> are underestimating..
>> >>>> What is needed is a truly many sided account derived from people in
>> >>>> many positions. Of which your post and the others on XMCA and other
>> >>>> such dicussion groups are some.
>> >>>> I have never witnessed American journalists so deeply in sympathy
>> >>>> the people they
>> >>>> are reporting on. The class and race issues are benig far more
>> >>>> widely
>> >>>> discussed in a way that the rising price of gasoline has not. Deep
>> >>>> questioning of the Bush government
>> >>>> has surfaced in very mainstreat media-- The NY Times, this morning,
>> >>>> pointed to the tax
>> >>>> system and said it is essential to start to think about increasing
>> >>>> taxes to pay for governance,
>> >>>> broadly speaking. The voices of the poor have, in a very rare
>> >>>> moment, been loudly and clearly heard. The middle
>> >>>> and upper classes have not been on TV except in the guise of
>> >>>> politicians... they got away and
>> >>>> while inconvenienced severely, have not undergone the terror and
>> >>>> fatigue.
>> >>>> You are, of course, entirely correct that such a situation has gone
>> >>>> unresolved in the Tsunami zone
>> >>>> but that the drama in the US creates forgetting of the
>> >>>> still-vicimized survivors of the last great,
>> >>>> "natural" disaster. And we can predict the same for the Gulf Coast.
>> >>>> Unless there are some fundamental changes in US policies, its
>> >>>> governmental general world view, the poor will have again
>> >>>> begun to go "of the radar screen" of "society," so that again the
>> >>>> head of FEMA will be hear and seen
>> >>>> to say that he was not aware that such people existed.
>> >>>> Its hard to learn from history when one has a short memory.
>> >>>> mike On 9/3/05, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> I in no way wish to detract from the immediate and immense problems
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> the gulf, but I have just spent a couple of days in Phuket,
>> >>>>> Thailand
>> >>>>> (on an educational kind of visit) where thousands died 8 months ago
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> another natural disaster. 8 months on there are dispossessed and
>> >>>>> traumatised children who lost all family members, street vendors
>> >>>>> who
>> >>>>> cooked and sold bbq chicken and salad to put their kids through
>> >>>>> school
>> >>>>> whose carts were destroyed and who are still working out how to
>> >>>>> return
>> >>>>> to their villages over a 1000 km away, homeless adults wandering
>> >>>>> around
>> >>>>> with ragbags (a very unusual sight in this international playground
>> >>>>> where everyone prospered), and endless, endless, endless
>> >>>>> restaurants,
>> >>>>> bars, and other entertainment joints empty except for the few staff
>> >>>>> who
>> >>>>> are dozing on tables. The "west" has shunned its former playground.
>> >>>>> An
>> >>>>> island that once owed its existence to the various fishing
>> >>>>> communities,
>> >>>>> many nomadic, that plied its waters; a playground that now owes its
>> >>>>> existence to western "fly and flop" tourism, and James Bond. The 4
>> >>>>> and 5-star hotels remain unaffected, apart from having no guests.
>> >>>>> Several people complained of the government's slowness in providing
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> reconstruction support that they felt was due months ago. And the
>> >>>>> government complains that the millions pledged by other countries
>> >>>>> are
>> >>>>> still to be received. I don't have international TV at home, but I
>> >>>>> watched it in my hotel in
>> >>>>> Phuket. I saw Americans echoing the words of Thais, albeit 8 months
>> >>>>> too
>> >>>>> early. And I read in a local English rag the complaints that "the
>> >>>>> Bush
>> >>>>> government is spending all its money on the war in Iraq and doesn't
>> >>>>> have enough to support this latest disaster". (I didn't bring the
>> >>>>> article back with me and it's not available electronically). My
>> >>>>> hope
>> >>>>> is that the spin can stop for long enough to help those who
>> >>>>> need - in the latest gulf area, in Thailand, in Sri Lanka, in Banda
>> >>>>> Ache, on the bridge in Iraq............ One poignant moment for me
>> >>>>> was the entertainment place (half bar/half
>> >>>>> restaurant) that we passed by. A cable tv (cnn) was showing looters
>> >>>>> up
>> >>>>> to their necks in water. The viewers were slumped on tables asleep
>> >>>>> -
>> >>>>> the wait-staff for the evening, waiting. This is not a terribly
>> >>>>> eloquent post, but one I wanted to write as I
>> >>>>> ponder humanity's latest issues with nature and itself. And from
>> >>>>> another list: "In such a terrible situation as the one that
>> >>>>> thousands of people are
>> >>>>> experiencing now in the USA, I believe it is not time for refined
>> >>>>> exercises of discourse analysis (at least, I would be unable to do
>> >>>>> them) that, for the sake of academic "rigor" and self-complacency
>> >>>>> (which too often are one and the same issue) would obscure the
>> >>>>> fundamental issues at stake in this crisis. The simple issue is
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> the bodies and minds of poor people always DIE in greater
>> >>>>> quantities
>> >>>>> and SUFFER more than other economic classes under critical
>> >>>>> circumstances. If you have an opportunity, do search for and listen
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> these speeches, for example. I doubt that CNN will make them
>> >>>>> available
>> >>>>> on line. And to the international academic community (particularly
>> >>>>> the US
>> >>>>> scholars) I can only suggest, with all due respect and humbleness,
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> consider anew or review the role that the material bases of
>> >>>>> society,
>> >>>>> and particularly objects such as "class", "class relations",
>> >>>>> "poverty",
>> >>>>> or the like, play in the models (?) that inform (?) their
>> >>>>> respective
>> >>>>> forms of discourse analyses." Phil On 03/09/2005, at 2:01 AM, Vera
>> >>>>> Steiner wrote: > Hi,
>> >>>>>> The only small step that I am aware of is that the U. of New
>> >>>>> Mexico is
>> >>>>>> letting undergraduates enroll with no
>> >>>>>> records and providing them with tuition, etc. But no steps thus
>> >>>>> far at
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> graduate level or assistance to researchers,
>> >>>>>> Vera
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> From: "Peg Griffin" <Peg.Griffin@worldnet.att.net>
>> >>>>>> To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:46 PM
>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info, David.
>> >>>>>>> Do you know if any of the colleges and universities to the south
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> east
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> Baton Rouge have any temporary web homes?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know of anyone keeping track of ways to work with
>> >>>>>>> students,
>> >>>>>>> teachers, researchers who have been displaced from the gulf?
>> >>>>>>> Is anyone getting a database about displaced doctoral candidates
>> >>>>> who
>> >>>>>>> need
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> replace months of data collection, students who need certain
>> >>>>>>> requirements
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> graduate, junior faculty who have to rewrite their almost
>> >>>>>>> finished
>> >>>>>>> manuscripts and so on?
>> >>>>>>> Is anyone trying to get them together with university people who
>> >>>>> can
>> >>>>>>> help
>> >>>>>>> them work out reasonable next steps?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So far the evidence from Yale and UC seems to say that those
>> >>>>>>> institutions
>> >>>>>>> haven't yet recognized they might be the someones with the
>> >>>>> expertise
>> >>>>>>> to do
>> >>>>>>> these sorts of things...
>> >>>>>>> PG
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>> >>>>>>> [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of David Daniel Preiss Contreras
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:12 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: 'xmca@weber.ucsd.edu'
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [xmca] Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> A secular way to help, from the site of
>> >>>>> www.lsu.edu <http://www.lsu.edu> <http://www.lsu.edu><
>> http://www.lsu.edu>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> David
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina has had a terrible effect on our state and
>> >>>>> there are
>> >>>>>> many
>> >>>>>>> LSU students from South Louisiana who could use your help in this
>> >>>>>>> time of
>> >>>>>>> need. The LSU Foundation's Hurricane Katrina - LSU Student Relief
>> >>>>>>> Fund
>> >>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>> created in response to the far-reaching damage caused by
>> >>>>>>> Hurricane
>> >>>>>> Katrina,
>> >>>>>>> and all donations to this fund will directly assist students
>> >>>>>>> whose
>> >>>>>>> lives
>> >>>>>>> have been greatly affected by the storm.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> To give to the relief fund by credit card, simply fill out the
>> >>>>>>> information
>> >>>>>>> here. If you would like to donate by check, please make the check
>> >>>>>>> payable
>> >>>>>>> to the LSU Foundation and indicate on the check that it is
>> >>>>> intended
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> LSU Student Relief Fund. You can mail your check to:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>> >>>>>>> c/o LSU Foundation
>> >>>>>>> 3838 W. Lakeshore Dr.
>> >>>>>>> Baton Rouge , LA 70808
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank you for giving to the LSU Student Relief Fund, and, as
>> >>>>> always,
>> >>>>>>> thank
>> >>>>>>> you for all you do for LSU.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> David D. Preiss
>> >>>>>>> home page: http://pantheon.yale.edu/~ddp6/
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>> >> Shirley Franklin
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>> >> Tower Hamlets PDC,
>> >> English Street,
>> >> London
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