DAvid-- If I understand correctly the situation is the following:
1. There is some continuing discussion about generalization and abstraction
connected
to the Jurow paper.
2. Phil and others are putting together a language and CHAT reading list,
where the papers will
be posted on XMCA papers for discussion.,
3. Steve, Peter M, Kristen C and others are proposing a reading of Ilyenkov
either here or on a
separate Yahoo group.
At present, Jurow is the focus of actual conversation. I keep wondering
about what the division of
opinion is as it relates to the ideas of Davydov and Vygotsky and hoping for
clarity, but I may not
get what I want ( no big news there!!) :-)
Next I assume we will have several papers posted as a group on papers for
discussion on xmca that are
about language, culture, and activity.
At some point we will learn what the organization of the Ilyenkov discussion
will be.
Right now I am down to the last day of the quarter, grant application
deadlines, end of research year
event, etc. I am hoping to see beyond my nose some time early next week.
Others, I gather, are in
analogous states of business.
I hope that helps. Others ammend to taste.
mike
On 6/2/05, David Preiss <davidpreiss@puc.cl> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I just lost track of the discussion.
> How many sub-groups do we have and where things will be posted?
> How could I know which paper has to do with what?
> David
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> *From:* Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:23 AM
> *To:* xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> *Subject:* Re: Talk of courses and discussions
>
> Phil et al--
>
> Please identify sxtarting texts and we will make them available in a set
> under the "papers
> for discussion" part of the xmca web page.
>
> I believe there is a chapter from Ochs and Schiefflin that is quite
> relevant here, but look to
> others for suggestions. I believe a google search of xmca will turn up
> Hasan, Halliday, Bernstein,
> and other relevant figures. And relevant discussion.
>
> I think it would help, phil, if you would pull together a
> "mini-curriculum" for us to use as common
> tool. The object is more widely share, methinks, than you estimate. But
> finding volunteers to do some
> mediating may be a more difficult task.
> mike
>
> On 6/2/05, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 02/06/2005, at 5:35 AM, Ana Marjanovic-Shane wrote:
> >
> > > What I am interested in is developing a CHAT theory of language -- so
> > > all these different ways to look at it as an activity are very
> > > helpful.
> > > Ana
> >
> > Dear Ana, Mike, and All,
> >
> > I'm a little hesitant to go too far here, as my own previous attempts
> > here to sow the seeds of a group object/motive of discussing AT and a
> > theory of language haven't really resulted in much - I often wonder
> > whether any mention of systemics and Michael Halliday results in an
> > impulsive "hit hit the delete" response ;-) And whither Bernstein...
> >
> > But Ana's interest is an interest that many here have, I feel, and it
> > has often been said that the xmca community lacks a fully articulated
> > theory of language, just as the SFL community is often derided for
> > lacking a fully articulate theory of human learning. I'm struggling
> > right now with a study from the SFL "Sydney school" in an attempt to
> > make explicit a pedagogical approach that foregrounds the linguistic
> > features that afford students access to future human activity that they
> > may otherwise be denied. But that is a red herring here.
> >
> > Should anyone here wish to pursue the discussion of a theory of
> > language "for chat", I'd like to offer up the suggestion that we read
> > Gordon Well's paper: The complementary contributions of Halliday and
> > Vygotsky to a 'language-based theory of learning', and I also think
> > that the various ecological views of language may be worthwhile to
> > pursue.
> >
> > So, any takers to assemble a couple of papers? I have an electronic
> > version of Gordon's paper that we will need to get approval to use
> > first.
> >
> > I'll leave it there and hope there may be a couple here interested in
> > making a motive.......
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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