RE: Civil War vs Election

[Peter Smagorinsky <smago@coe.uga.edu>]

dunno David--as I said earlier, I have no
expertise in these areas. I was paraphrasing my source, which I can't
find (Freedman's backlog of columns requires $$ to access). p
At 04:31 PM 11/11/2004 -0300, you wrote:

"Their personal financial interests"?
I don't see jews as such homogeneous group, Peter.
Would WASP americans vote republican to protect "their personal financial interests", then?
David
 
 
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I have read this either in recent columns by Thomas Friedman (NY Times) or Jay Bookman (Atlanta Journal-Constitution). .....dang, can't find it on the web. But as I recall Jews vote something like 70% democratic, even though doing so works against their personal financial interests. p

At 01:50 PM 11/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Peter, do you have a source for your statement that Jews vote(d) overwhelmingly democratic? i am assuming that the statistical picture would be more complex -- & show, for instance, perhaps, a generational, if not occupational, divide... Some of the neocons who shaped the international policies of this administration were once left-y Jews (Wolfowitz &??)... They used their old Idealism (things CAN be different) in the service of (?) adult ego-centrism (?) (i.e., the world would be a better place if it behaved and thought like us) to design US imperialism.

Well, I'm uneasy about sending this off, but in the spirit of Veterans Day and trouble-making, I will....

 

Judy

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From: Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@coe.uga.edu]

Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:36 PM

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I'm  sure there are many factors. Florida is also home to many Jews (who vote overwhelmingly Democratic) and African Americans (also Dems) and many other relocators from the north. I doubt if I'm really qualified to make sense of it....p

At 01:57 PM 11/11/2004 -0300, you wrote:

Yes, that was what I realized. But I was wondering whether there was something else and what was the relation between neo-conservadurism and the old slave traditions. On the other hand, the South is voting Republican since a long time ago. In addition, in some cases, such as Florida, the relation is not straightforward, I guess, since it is linked with the political behavior of the Hispanics and Cuban politics. In short, even though there is a relation, I wondered about its nature and local peculiarities.

David Preiss, M.Phil.

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only simply right now (I've got a manuscript review to complete): the maps overlap to suggest that a great deal of Bush's support comes from states that once advocated slavery (and where the vestiges of slavery are still evident in housing segregation, economic disparities, etc.). Not a very hopeful sign in these times. p

At 12:07 PM 11/11/2004 -0300, you wrote:

This map is worth discussing.

Beyond the descriptive coincidences, how would you put the match in a narrative framework, Peter?

David Preiss, M.Phil.

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