Vera,
Are you saying that Judy's contribution was an example of a metaphor used
predominantly by males or that there is some metaphor that has
charcteristics you have classified as "pounding?"
Paul H. Dillon
----- Original Message -----
From: Vera John-Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: reflection (on ending duels - still belabouring)
> I was reading Judy's message this morning in which she mentions the
> "pounding" of ideas. Interestingly,
> we found the metaphor of pounding in our recent analyses of 200 metaphors
of
> collaboration; it was used only by males. There were many shared metaphors
> (by men and women) about jointly shaping ideas,
> Vera
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judy Diamondstone <diamonju@rci.rutgers.edu>
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: reflection (on ending duels - still belabouring)
>
>
> >Yes, I agree that its the "personal investment... in the worth of (one's)
> >own ideas" that motivates the "pounding" of an argument, in your own
> >well-chosen words. As if there were no vulnerable people behind the
> >personnae we assign to messages.
> >
> >I like "critical re-direction" -- I wish we were better at doing it.
> >
> >Judy
> >
> >
> >>the difficulties here - while i applaud the idea - is the personal
> >>investment so many have
> >>in the worth of their own ideas, couched in "specialization" criteria
that
> >>legitimize the
> >>"pounding" of an argument, yes?
> >>
> >>separating the individuals from the interaction strikes me as a bit
false
> >>- as eva points out,
> >>this is not something we do - part of the appeal of longterm
participating
> >>in these venues
> >>is the familiarity with names and modes of writing.
> >>
> >>in any event, i do think we might add critical re-direction to your
list:
> >>not criticizing and separating, but reflexive re-interpretations, that
> >>might re-direct the dueling discourse.
> >>
> >>>Which leads me to try to articulate what CHAT does entail
> >>>axiologically [i.e., relationally/ value-wise], which might be
considered
> >>>relevant to a discussion of LBE.
> >>
> >>here i think it might point towards that 'gap' that has been mentioned,
> >>between the crisis and the learning, the multiple zpds that overlap and
> >>interlace, the learning that bridges between crisis and a new
> >>understanding - that is, for example, what's a 'wizardly' gesture here -
> >>or a reflexive re-direction that introduces recuperating from the
initial
> >>loss of a crisis, and points towards a value, i.e. a motive for learning
> >>something particular?
> >>
> >>diane
> >>
> >>"my doctor says i wouldn't have so many nosebleeds if i would just keep
my
> >>finger out of there. "
> >>Ralph Wiggums.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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