No, Charles I don't believe this is the case. A "harmony of illusions" implies comparison of the world as perceived in a given society with a world-in-itself, a comparison which is entirely abstract. Human activity (labour, practice), and sensuousness as well, is objective activity, i.e. activity *in the world*, and therefore partakes of the objective. It's subjectiveness is not something illusory, but insofar as it is "normal", is part of the social practice of a really living, material culture, i.e., objective. Andy At 07:31 09/10/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Paul wrote: ArialThe REAL is extracted from social activity. Arial After rereading Leontiev several times, I'm still not sure what he means by "objectivity" nor what Paul means by the REAL. Explanations would be appreciated. Perhaps because of my non-understanding, a question keeps nagging at me: Doesn't socially influenced perception and theorist organs mean that instead of extracting the "real" from social activity, we are constructing, as Fleck would call it, a "harmony of illusions"? Charles Nelson <<<<<<<< ************************************************** * Andy Blunden, Teaching Space Support Team Leader * Email ablunden@unimelb.edu.au or andy@mira.net * http://home.mira.net/~andy/ * University of Melbourne 9344 0312 (W) 9380 9435 (H) **************************************************