Paul,
You are right, it is odd. But isn't this the case with many adjectives and
adjective equivalents? Sometimes they change their meanings, depending on
the context, in very odd ways. Usually we do not notice these oddities
because we have got used to them, but they are there all the same. Take,
for instance, "expert systems". What does "expert" in this expression
actually mean? Something like "imitating expert decision making", I guess.
Ok, but then what does "expert" mean in "expert decision making". Is
"expert decision making" a decision making that imitates expert decision
making? Very odd.
In my view, something like this takes place in the case of "objective
world" and "objective activity". The same Russian adjective "predmetnyj/
predmetnaja" has two different meanings in these two expressions (roughly,
"consisting of predmets" and "oriented towards predmets"). I never thought
it was odd, but now I think maybe it isŠ :)
Best wishes,
Victor
>Victor,
>
>Thanks. But if what you say is the case then it seems very odd to translate
>the word as many have been suggesting, or at least it requires a radical
>interpretation. I say this because the notion of an "object-related world"
>could only be interpreted as a world that refers to itself.
>
>Quite odd.
>
>Paul H. Dillon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Victor Kaptelinin <vklinin@informatik.umu.se>
>To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 4:18 AM
>Subject: Re: translation issues
>
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I do work with a Russian text.
>>
>> Generally, "objective" in the English version may correspond to either
>> "objectivnyj" or "predmetnyj" in the Russian version.
>>
>> However, "objective world" is always "predmetnyj mir" and "objective
>> activity" is always "predmetnaja dejatelnost" (at least, in Chapter 3).
>> Therefore, "objective" in both "objective activity" and "objective world"
>> is a translation of the same Russian word. (On one occasions, the "object
>> world" is used instead of "objective world", but in Russian version there
>> is no difference between these expressions).
>>
>> Hope it is not too confusing :)
>>
>> Folks, please, do not hesitate to let me know if you think my Russian copy
>> of the book can be of any help.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Victor.
>>
>>
>> >I'm wondering if anyone involved in the Leont'ev reading is actually
>working
>> >directly with a Russian text. In particular I'm curious as to whether
>the
>> >term translated as "objective" in "objective activity" is the same as the
>> >word translated as "objective" in the other uses; e.g., "objective
>world."
>> >
>> >Paul H. Dillon
>>
>>
>>
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