Mike,
I looked at the pdf file and ("turning") seems to be a translators insertion
to give interiolization some context. My understanding is there seems to be
some differentiation between interiolization and internalization with some
Russian scholars. In the supplement Leontev talks a little about how one
could master all the knowledge of being a Marxist but that is not enough -
one needs more - I think he mentions something about "organic need".
Appropriation may get closer to it than say internalization - which would
include things like identity, personality etc.
What's the history with the different terminology, I know we (americans)
tend to translate it as internalization in English, but interiolization
seems to be a rather explicit differentiation that is used by Russians
scholars. I am thinking of Vygotsky's grand daughter who seems to argue for
the importance of the seperation. Vygotsky did not argue for
"internalization of" but rather "interiolization of". Is this a case of
synonyms that may have slightly different cultural connotations or is there
a major terminology difference here. Kind of like that psychical -
psychological thing where we Americans prefer the latter, but those coming
from Germany or Russia feel psychological changes the meaning some what.
Translation is such a mucky thing - its hard enough communicating
consciousness when one speaks the same language, share the same culture etc,
I can not imagine doing it from something like Russian to American and with
of course the further mediation of German.
Nate
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cole [mailto:mcole@weber.ucsd.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:19 PM
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
Subject: translation issues
Dear All-- I am having translation problems reading ch3 that are ghosts
of my long struggle to understand ANL. I would ask for help from more
knowledgeable others on how to deal with two terms.
Objective activity and "turning"
I have confirmed that objective activity is the translation for
predmetnaya deyaletlnost'. Its the predmetnaya that has always
give me trouble.
premet=object. But what the adjectival form of object is in Englis
is not so clear to me.
I go not recall the term used where "turning" appears. I recall it
as a term I would translate as turning on oneself, but I believe
it is related to the term for in-growing.
All help appreciated.
mike
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