Whoa! I have that book at home. Let me check tonight.
A
At 07:23 24/08/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Andy,
>
>Hi.
>
>Ilyenkov's "Problem of the Ideal" isn't a book, it's one of the essays
>included in another Progress Publishers book titled: Philosophy In the
>USSR: Problems of Dialectical Materialism. This is only a partial
>translation of the original. We are going to try Pete Jones for a possible
>copy. Nate says there isn't much of a problem with copyright issues.I'm
>very impressed by Nate's contribution since he discovered your site and the
>MIA.
>
>I hope you'll be a strong contributor if this discussion of Leont'ev ever
>gets off the ground. It is so interesting to me that Cole takes the
>proposal to discuss this work so seriously. My feeling is that he knows
>that Leont'ev is the real thing, not just this or that secondary work, and
>that it undermines a lot of the US academic interpretations of activity
>theory, internalization, agency, etc. His "stalling" seems to suggest that
>either (a) he really wants to ensure that the participants "internalize" it
>as much as possible (optimistic) or (b) he recognizes that the dialectical
>materialist basis of activity theory -- and the derivative CHAT -- is so
>totally apparent in the Leont'ev work that he wants to ensure the
>participation of enough "big names" as to dominate the interpretative
>process, pull the teeth out of the work, and thereby maintain room for
>continuing the dalliance with the post-modernist neo-Kantians and other
>bourgeois ideologues who dominate xmca (pessimistic). The latter of course
>akin to Freud's conscious/unconscious censor!!!
>
>Take care,
>
>Paul
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Andy Blunden <a.blunden@pb.unimelb.edu.au>
>To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:11 PM
>Subject: Re: some refs
>
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I would be delighted to put up any Ilyenkov material at all I can get hold
>> of. I still have 100 pages or so of his book on Positivism to scan, but
>> that can wait. I have never seen this book on the concept of the Ideal.
>> Ilyenkov is the most frequently commented on and appreciated author (apart
>> from Hegel) that I have archived.
>>
>> The simple problem is - Ilyenkov is unavailable in Australia so far as I
>> know. If I am going to put any more Ilyenkov up on the MIA site I need
>help
>> in finding the appropriate texts.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> PS: I would love to see the Leontyev text we are going to discuss on the
>> MIA as well, Nate is the director of the Leontyev archive. I don't know
>> what the copyright situation might be for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:26 23/08/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>> >mike,
>> >
>> >I'm looking into the feasibility of putting up the Bakhurst passages.
>> >
>> >The book is "Consciousness and Revolution in Soviet Philosophy: From the
>> >Bolsheviks to Evald Ilyenkov". Cambridge University Press. 1991.
>> >
>> >Ch. 3 is devoted to a discussion of Vygotsky with attention to the
>question
>> >of "internalization" (ZPD not really at issue here). The theme of the
>book
>> >is Evald Ilyenkov's reworking of dialectical materialist theory with
>special
>> >attention to "the problem of the ideal."
>> >
>> >A lot of Ilyenkov at http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/index.htm
>but
>> >one of the works that Bakhurst cites frequently is "The Concept of the
>> >Ideal" but I have been unable to locate it. Andy, any chance of getting
>> >that up on the Ilyenkov page??
>> >
>> >Paul H. Dillon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> >To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:24 AM
>> >Subject: some refs
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Paul-- Could you post a couple of key refs of works you are drawing
>> >> on, and where possible, parts of things. I am thinking of Bakhurst
>> >> on Vygotsky on units of anlaysis, for example. If its at all possible
>> >> to scan key passages and post them to xmca, it would greatly broaden
>> >> potential participation.
>> >>
>> >> Still waiting to hear from our Nordic neighbors.
>> >> mike
>> >>
>> >
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