RE: Re(2): twisted internalizations

Helen Beetham (H.Beetham who-is-at plymouth.ac.uk)
Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:10:10 -0000

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Just to expand on the reference to Seyla Benhabib (requested off-list) =
this is an article from
the late 80s on 'the concrete and the generalised other' reproduced in =
several places including
her 1992 book 'Situating the Self'. In this book she develops a theory =
of ethical judgement and=20
community explicitly opposed to the absolute relativism and =
'incommensurability' arguments
of postmodernists such as Lyotard. Harraway's book is another such.

The reason I was citing this particular article, however, is that there =
has been an interesting feminist
critique of Lacan in particular which points out that the 'other' in =
language is not, or not only, an
abstract but also a concrete other, usually female, who (m)others us =
into language as infants, who is the
bearer of culture as well as the mirror in which we first 'recognise' =
our selves. I am interested
in the thought that the gender critique might also apply to the 'other' =
in CHAT - the other for whom
we are before we are for ourselves.

Has anyone written about this or is anyone planning to for the =
'feminist' issue of MCA?
In fact, has anyone explored what the 'other' in Lacan, Derrida, =
Kristeva etc might have to
say to the 'other' in Vygostky's formulation of CHAT?

Helen

'Thought is more imperishable than ever; it is volatile, irresistible, =
and indestructible. It pervades the air... Now she is a flock of birds, =
flies abroad to all the four winds of heaven, and occupies at once all =
the points
of air and of space...'=20
Victor Hugo, on the invention of printing.

Helen Beetham
Senior Lecturer
Educational Development
University of Plymouth
Drake Circus
Plymouth PL4 8AA

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Hodges [SMTP:dhodges who-is-at ceo.cudenver.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:32 AM
To: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu
Cc: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re(2): twisted internalizations/waiting to exhale

xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu writes:
rjapias writes:

>Jay Lemke wrote:
>
>"(...) perhaps an underdeveloped perspective in education."
>
>
>The use of the word DEVELOPMENT or UNDERDEVELOPMENT, without =
expliciting=20
>their teleologic goals, seems to exhale some ethnocentric smell.
>
>
please, i love this phrase, 'exhale some ethnocentric smell'... can u
elaborate?
thanks,
dch

' 'We have destroyed something by our presence,' said Bernard, 'a
world perhaps.'
(Virginia Woolf, "The Waves")

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +=20
diane celia hodges
university of british columbia, vancouver / university of colorado, =
denver

Diane_Hodges who-is-at ceo.cudenver.edu

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