What I read/heard was the students said African Americans and athletes were
the target of the killings. I hadn't read anything to the extent that gay
students were targeted. But my american media has been known to lie to me
fron time to time. Below is a recent update of those that were killed.
Eleven of the victims were male and four were female. District Attorney
Dave Thomas said there was no evidence that the killers targeted
minorities, as some students claimed. Only one of the 13 victims was black.
``I've only seen the photographs, but it appears to me that most of the
victims were victims because of where they were at a particular time, not
that they were sought out,'' Davis said. ``Most of the victims were in the
library, and that's where these two persons ended up. ... I don't know what
the motive was other than anger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Ottoni <rjapias who-is-at ibm.net>
To: <xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Krupskaya
> Yes, Nate, I think I can understand what are you talking about, but
> - as I know - those guys at Denver killed spanic, black and gay
> students... Isn't it a neo-nazi message?
>
> nate wrote:
> >
> > I am leery of terms such as neo-nazi, such references seem to make
> > pathological problems out of societal ones. There has been several of
> > these actions some racially motivated, some not, but all seem to point
> > toward certain ways schools are very alienating and uncomfortable place
for
> > certain students. I remember reading an essay last year about the
brutal
> > killing of a gay man and it was argued the public reaction had more to
do
> > with the death resonating the crucification than the gay man's death
> > itself. The author pointed to all the gay deaths in the past few years
> > that received no acknowledgement.
> >
> > Rather than making such horrid actions pathlogical, I would rather see
it
> > as an opportunity to look at what it is about our schools/society that
make
> > such actions possible. Personally. I have a difficult time with the
logic
> > that if we make schools more like prisons, lie dedectors, security
guards,
> > our schools will become a safer place to learn. But this is from
someone
> > who working at a gas station tried to counsel someone out of robbing
him.
> >
> > Nate
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ricardo Ottoni <rjapias who-is-at ibm.net>
> > To: <xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: Krupskaya
> >
> > Phillip,
> >
> > Thank you for your comments and bibliographic references.
> > On resistance and contestation arenas... I beguin thinking about
> > the last terrorist neo-nazi action at Denver... about explicit
> > violence in schools.
> > Here, in Brazil - specially in Sco Paulo - every week at least one
> > student is killed inside, or in front of, their school by fire arms
> > shoots. Personal disputes, rivallity of urban tribes (gangs), futille
> > motives... This brings to surface the question of population disarm...
> > arms sellers... arms industry... and we, teachers and education
workers,
> > cannot be in silence in front of this.
> >
> > I'd like hear your comments on this, if possible.
> >
> > Phillip Allen White wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Ricardo Ottoni wrote:
> > >
> > > > To ancient greeks and some african tribes (even urban tribes)show
us
> > > > that sexualitty is much more cultural than biological.
> > > >
> > > > We must not forget that frogs and street dogs have homossexual
> > relations
> > > > very frequently, without any shame.
> > > >
> > > > Shame to have homossexual relations/feelings and to be homossexual
is
> > > > culturally determined.
> > >
> > > Ricardo, these comments, along with Mike's earlier question
about
> > > forms of resistance ..... have brought to mind several texts that
i've
> > > read within the last few months.
> > >
> > > "The women" - Hilton Als, 1996, Noonday Press. Als describes
his
> > > journey/path/trajectory/progess in becoming a Negress. "Being an
auntie
> > > man enamored of Negressity is all I have ever known to be." Als'
story
> > is
> > > one of multiple forms of resistance to a wide variety of
> > > ethnic/racial/socio-economic norms.
> > >
> > > "Saying no to a man" - Susan Krieger, in "The family silver;
> > > essays on relationships among women" 1996, University of California
> > Press.
> > > in this text, Krieger's multiple ways of resistance are primarily
> > > practiced in academe - as lesbian, feminist & separatist -
> > >
> > > "Mema's house, Mexico city; On transvestites, queens and
> > machos" -
> > > Annick Prieur. 1998. University of Chicago Press. A student of
Pierre
> > > Bourdieu, Prieur uses his theories to understand a community of
vestidas,
> > > living in a world of mayates, jotas, tortillas, bugas, bisexuales,
and
> > > heterosexuales. one of Prieur's interesting observations is how a
local
> > > culture - in this case set in Mexico City - is threatened as well as
> > > marginalized through international media information from
> > english-speaking
> > > north america as well as western europe, in which the 'proper'
homosexual
> > > is presented as a white-middle-class-professionally educated 'gay'
who
> > > looks quite mainstream.
> > >
> > > "Sometimes I can be anything; Power, gender and identity in a
> > > primary classroom" , Karen Gallas, 1998, Teachers College Press.
> > > Gallas as a teacher researcher follows her first and second
grade
> > > students for two years (i think it's two years), documenting their
> > > multiple attempts and practices to appropriate social power through
> > gender
> > > and identity constructions.
> > >
> > > "The invisibles; a tale of the eunuchs of India" - Zia
Jaffrey,
> > > 1996, Pantheon Press. not an academic text, like the Als' text, but
> > > still, a great topic on resistance - particularly through
> > > self-castration.
> > >
> > > Finally, Jose Limon's "Dancing with the devil" don't know
the
> > > rest of the necessary data. but a great ethnography in which one
outcome
> > > is how latina/mexican women in south texas use sightings of the devil
as
> > > as form of resistance against male dominance . . . a great read.
> > >
> > > so, yes, Ricardo, homosexuality et. al. are great cultural
> > > constructions, and also, as Foucault has pointed out, arenas of
> > > contestation and resistance.
> > >
> > > and, i realize, Mike, that you wondered about forms of
resistance
> > > in education, and Krieger's and Gallas' work comes the closest here -
but
> > > forms of resistance in other arenas can help us identify forms of
> > > resistance in education.
> > >
> > > phillip
> > >
> > > phillip white pwhite who-is-at carbon.cudenver.edu
> > >
> > > /////////////////////////////////\
> > >
> > > A relation of surveillance, defined and regulated,
> > > is inscribed at the heart of the practice of teaching, not
> > > as an additional or adjacent part, but as a mechanism that
> > > is inherent to it and which increases its efficiency.
> > >
> > > Michel Foucault / Discipline & Punish
> > >
> > > \///////////////////////////////////////
> > >
> > >
>
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