Re: kinds of learning

Ana Marjanovic-Shane (anchi who-is-at geocities.com)
Mon, 01 Sep 1997 01:02:06 -0700

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Judy,

You intrigued me when you called this phenomenon(s) - ABDUCTION
("stealing").

> One "mechanism" wasn't mentioned but might account for the
> kind of systems-mixing interactions that were fruitfully discussed:
>
> ABDUCTION ("stealing" of one thing for another use/object/activity
> - like play?) - effected by way of artifacts of culture. Examples of
> abduction would by renarrativising the past (stealing the past for the
>
> present), using a broom in play as a flying machine;
> Another example without identifiable agents comes to mind:
> grammatical metaphor in language -- one semiotic function "steals"
> from another. Abduction complicates the framing of what's
> co-regulated because it transgresses functional systems & system
> levels.

I agree that metaphors and metaphoric behavior "transgress" functional
systems & system levels. (I am just reading Jays's paper which he
previously sent on line...) but I am still intrigued why do you call it
"abduction" or "stealing" (which in itself is a metaphor!). What does it
imply? Many have seen a paradox in the phenomenon of metaphor
(metaphoric behavior) - calling a thing something which it is not. Many
others have seen a kind of comparison by similarity - implying a
similarity between something and something else. The "comparison by
similarity" in fact may be linked to imitation - doing the same or
similar as somebody else, trying to be somebody else.Abduction
(stealing) implies somehow a negation, an annulment, of something. In
that context, when you say: "renarrativising the past (stealing the past
for the present)" - does it mean that we are destroying the past for the
sake of the present. I am just curious to know more about how you meant
to conceptualize "abduction".

Ana

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Judy,

You intrigued me when you called this phenomenon(s) - ABDUCTION ("stealing").

One "mechanism" wasn't mentioned but might account for the
kind of systems-mixing interactions that were fruitfully discussed:

ABDUCTION ("stealing" of one thing for another use/object/activity
 - like play?) - effected by way of artifacts of culture. Examples of
abduction would by renarrativising the past (stealing the past for the
present), using a broom in play as a flying machine;
Another example without identifiable agents comes to mind:
grammatical metaphor in language -- one semiotic function "steals"
from another. Abduction complicates the framing of what's
co-regulated because it transgresses functional systems & system levels.

I agree that metaphors and metaphoric behavior "transgress" functional systems & system levels. (I am just reading Jays's paper which he previously sent on line...) but I am still intrigued why do you call it "abduction" or "stealing" (which in itself is a metaphor!). What does it imply? Many have seen a paradox in the phenomenon of metaphor (metaphoric behavior) - calling a thing something which it is not. Many others have seen a kind of comparison by similarity - implying a similarity between something and something else. The "comparison by similarity" in fact may be linked to imitation - doing the same or similar as somebody else, trying to be somebody else.Abduction (stealing) implies somehow a negation, an annulment, of something. In that context, when you say: "renarrativising the past (stealing the past for the present)" - does it mean that we are destroying the past for the sake of the present. I am just curious to know more about how you meant to conceptualize "abduction".

Ana
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   Dr. Ana Marjanovic-Shane

151 W. Tulpehocken St.     City of Philadelphia
Philadelphia, PA 19144     OMH/MR - Research & Information
(215) 843-2909 [voice]     1101 Market St. 7th Floor
(215) 843-2288 [fax]       Philadelphia, PA 19107
                           (215) 685-4767 [v];  (215) 685-5581 [fax]
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