[Xmca-l] Re: Language, thought, and Action in the Three Year Old

[Helena Worthen]

OK, I am now going to ask dear friends and colleagues on this list to think about the following puzzle taken from real life.

I think that all varieties of self-talk can be grouped as such. By “self-talk” I mean speech that is sufficently externalized to become embodied in words (to distinguish it from intuitions, sensing something, vague worrying, the kind of things that go on in our heads but don’t rise or condense into words) but at the same time is not addressed to a person or persons. (Those could be close, like someone in the same room at the same time, or distant, like a reading public or the person to whom a message stuffed in a bottle is intended.) 

So I would include the busy chatter of the kid on the skiis (it’s not aware that its snowsuit is miked) in the same group with an apprentice electrician muttering down the sequence of how to assemble a complex distribution box (not sure what those are called) and in the same group as prayer.  Basically, self-regulation and self-confirmation through speech.  The key aspect is that the “other” is neither present nor real. The speaker speaks, hears what they say, uses it to guide what they will do, and keeps going.

(I have had discussions with people who say that they think that prayer is necessarily directed at Somone and involves asking for something. I disgree; I think it’s just another form of socially condoned self-regulatory speech, but that’s another story.)

My question is, if you more or less accept what I’ve said above, what is going on when someone is given a prayer to recite? Or an oath to take? Or a pledge? Is there a difference between doing it as a group or doing it in private? 

Thanks — Helena


> On Mar 21, 2021, at 6:35 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
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> The skiing is not as big news as the self talk and talk with father.
> The total package is worth thinking about. Including the pic with the child between two older sibs in a simulated skiing at 12 months.
> Reminds you of the expression, "I learned to ski at the same time I learned to walk." A zone of proximal development as a chronotope,
> an old discussion on xmca.
> mike
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> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 6:10 PM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com <mailto:anthonymbarra@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Fantastic!  Thanks for sharing, Mike.
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> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:20 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
> The video of a 3 year old on the ski slope (below) seems worth sharing in light of the broad interest here on developmental processes
> at this point in the lifespan. 
> CNN is a commercial venture, so there is an ad at the beginning. I believe its worth the wait, apologies if it is not.
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>> The organism, by its life activities, creates what is outside.  So organisms create the conditions of their own future
>> which is different from their past" Richard Lewontin
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