[Xmca-l] Re: Children's Literature- N. A. Dobrolyubov - The Importance of Authority in Education

[Ulvi İçil]

Thank you very much David.
About Vygotsky and free will, my point of departure was factual rather than
theoretical, which may be misleading.
My point was what he told her daughter about religious belief, that she
herself will decide it to have or not in the future.

Ulvi



24 Şub 2021 Çar 03:13 tarihinde David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> şunu
yazdı:

> Ulvi--
>
> I know you dig music. Well, take a little listen to this, trying very hard
> to ignore the charming acting and the exquisite tunes (I know, I know, it's
> like eating halvah and trying to ignore the taste....)
>
> Anna Netrebko sings Mussorgsky's Detskaya (The Nursery), Valery Gergiev
> conducts the RPhO - YouTube
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzW_x1IRho__;!!Mih3wA!W8tezItWn9iuvooZVWeUtxW0DnQQ_ll00mc2lIOc_9lir273sbYKU26ibOs7AYTxk-4xzQ$>
>
> It's a very young Anna Natrebko (directed by a youngish Valery Gergiev)
> doing Mussorgsky's "The Kindergarten". The kindergarten sequence actually
> ends with the evening prayer (around 9:00 minutes in) and the rest of the
> performance is the child's memories of summer at a Dacha (Sailor the Cat
> trying to eat a bird, and visiting friends and stubbing a toe....)  But you
> can see that the Nanny throughout is using the kinds of "bogeyman" threats
> that Dobrolyubov is discussing here--and the fun of hte music is that the
> child is more entertained than educated....more interested in the taste of
> dessert than the supposed nourishment!
>
> Vygotsky does include this kind of critique (including the bogeyman) in
> his very early chapter on ethical behavior in the Educational Psychology
> (1926). But he doesn't cite either Dobrolyubov or Pirogov; I think a lot of
> these ideas were just "in the air" around the time that Mussorgsky was
> writing the "The Kindergarten" (1868, i.e. ten years after "Problems of
> Life" and "Children's Literature") and they were still there when Vygotsky
> was writing the chapter.
>
> Actually, Dobryulobov seems kind of muddled and even reactionary: he's
> very religious, he holds up Voltaire as a kind of bogeyman and a lot of the
> ideas he is attacking (e.g. use of force, blind obedience) are right there
> in Rousseau's "Emile".
>
> I am trying to decide if Vygotsky believes in individual free will at all.
> He is, as he says in the notebooks, Spinozian if not Spinozist. It seems to
> me that individual free will doesn't exist--humans exercise free will only
> in recognizing mutual necessity (what Andy calls solidarity). That
> Spinozian (but not Spinozist) tenet is the kernel of truth in all the
> bogeyman stories that Nanny tells Mishenka. But it's as much in the taste
> as in the nourishment.....
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
> ,
>
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>
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> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 3:39 AM Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>> I do not know if Vygotsky  had any reference to Dobrolyubov. (Dobrolyubov
>> is from pedagogy institute).
>> But I think that there is a paralelism between Dobrolyubov and Vygotsky
>> about the development of free will in the child and young.
>>
>> Ulvi
>>
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