[Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.

[Harshad Dave]

Martin,
I read your message dtd. Sat, Jun 27, 9:32 PM. Everyone is free to hold his
own view on any subject matter.
with true regards,
Harshad Dave

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 9:32 PM Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:

> Harshad Dave,
>
> You claim that you want to talk only of “differences.” But then you call
> those differences “mental levels.” Levels, by definition, are higher and
> lower. And you write of “differences in intellectual competence” which,
> since competence is usually treated as a matter of ‘greater’ or ‘lesser,'
> certainly suggests that you want to make statements about different
> *levels* of mental ability. No? So your “points" center around your claims
> to be able to know, or infer, which people are mentally superior and which
> people are mentally inferior. Am I correct?
>
> If so, I find your whole approach extremely distasteful. But lets’s look
> at what people were actually doing in London in the year 1700. This short
> list of events during that year is from Wikipedia…
>
> • 27 February – announcement that the island of New Britain is discovered
> by William Dampier in the western Pacific.
> • early March – William Congreve's comedy The Way of the World is first
> performed at the New Theatre, Lincoln's Inn Fields.
> • 25 March – Treaty of London signed between France, England and Holland.
> • 29 July – Princess Anne's only surviving child, Prince William, Duke of
> Gloucester, dies aged eleven leaving the Protestant succession to the Crown
> in doubt.
> • September –  William III travels to meets his cousin Sophia at Het Loo
> Palace. This is a precursor to the Act of Settlement of the following year
> that opens the way to the future succession of the House of Hanover.
> • 20 November – announcement that the first boats have reached Leeds from
> the tideway by way of the Aire and Calder Navigation
> • 25 December – First Christmas hymn authorised to be sung in the Anglican
> church, "While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks", the words by Nahum
> Tate having been first published this year, in a supplement to "Tate and
> Brady".
> • 28 December – Laurence Hyde, 1st Earl of Rochester appointed Lord
> Lieutenant of Ireland.
> • Approximate date – Jeremiah Clarke writes the Prince of Denmark's March.
>
> That is to say, people were writing plays, hymns, and musical
> compositions. They were announcing voyages of discovery, international
> alliances, and political appointments. The Bank of England had just been
> founded. A important synagogue would be built the following year….
>
> What is it about these events that suggests to you that people in London
> in 1700 were *less intellectually competent* than people in London today? I
> can see no evidence whatsoever to support such a conclusion.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This refers to the message of Martin dtd. 26 June 2020 8.30 pm.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You are right and you have caught my feelings telepathically regarding
> your first message dtd  25 June 2020, 7.21 pm. Anyway, let us come to the
> points of discussion.
>
> Part of the answer is given in my message to Annalisa yesterday (26 June
> 2020, 4.56 pm). However, I simply and shortly explain my point again.
>
> The example of man with a gun stands for just to clarify that discoveries
> and inventions supplement the natural abilities of man to a substantial
> extent and this supplementing increases on timeline walking towards later
> (advance) period on the timeline. The questions you raised on this point
> have answers in the form of my views but it will open a new discussion on
> different subject matter and I do not want to go away from the prime line
> of our discussion.
>
> The prime point you raised in the last paragraph of your message is the
> correct one. I explain it again here bellow,
>
> Let us take the example of the city London of the UK. You will agree that
> in the year 1700 London was there as it is also there in the year 2020. You
> will agree that socio economic formations of society of London and that of
> the same in the year 2020 are not equal or same. You will also find a
> difference in various traits of social constitution, systems and
> institutions of the respective time. It is not necessary to engage us to
> determine which one was better out of two. It is just sufficient to
> determine that they (both) are different.
>
> If we randomly select five persons from the society of London in the year
> 1700 and other randomly selected five persons today in 2020, you will find
> a *difference* in intellectual competence in various traits. Here, I make
> you aware that I use the word *difference*. It is not always true that
> any comparison between two should necessarily return with a result
> declaring one of them inferior and other as superior, one as good and other
> as bad. But it might surely return with an outcome that both are different.
> Here, in my discussion, I have addressed the integrated concept of these
> traits overall as “mental level” and it is linked with the socio economic
> formation in which the person is living and that is why I address it as
> “mental socio economic level”.
>
> Now, if you (and other friends) agree that there is a difference in mental
> level, I simply say that…
>
> When two persons with different mental levels have occasions and events to
> come into interaction with each other in a society, it generates stress and
> strain in the functioning of the social system.
>
> Hope It is now clarified.
>
> With true regards,
>
> Harshad Dave.
>
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