[Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Wed Jun 24 01:31:19 PDT 2020
Simangele,
I don't think you have answered Martin's question. The fact
that our schooling system awards ranks and scores to
individuals, proves only that belief in the validity of
these scores is widespread not that it is valid. You imply
this yourself in your reference to "food chain."
Can I suggest the following way of looking at the conundrum
of development without a metric. Two entire human beings, or
two entire ways of life, two entire cultures, ... cannot be
compared or "graded" along a scale. People in whatever
social position generally know very well how to live
successfully in that social position. People are the world's
best experts in their own experience. But yes, one person
can run faster than another, another can add up numbers
faster than another. On any one given single metric
comparison can be made and therefore there can be measures
and levels.
Andy
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On 24/06/2020 5:32 pm, Simangele Mayisela wrote:
>
> Hi Martin
>
> I am glad you have asked that question? As I suppose we
> very well know that from a socio-cultural perspectives,
> the Vygotsky’s law of mental development – the two
> interlaced lines of development, posits that humans have
> a genetical predisposition for development, the
> development of the mental skills is in relation to their
> exposure the social practices (some of which are imposed
> by oppressive systems and the adaptation for survival
> creating culture) – in which case social practices can be
> viewed as a “norm” for judging the development of
> cognitive skills. This is where the argument on social
> inequities comes in, whether those subjected to historical
> privilege, develop cognitive tools that are appropriated
> to establish “levels of mental functioning” of subjects of
> inequities and oppression, while holding the “ideologies”
> that I suppose Alfredo and some of the contributors to
> this site may have referred to earlier on, that are
> concerning for humanity. But I must say the argument of
> “levels of mental functioning” should not be viewed
> outside of the old agenda of the development of economies,
> since these have an influence on “scientific basis” of
> understanding of human development as mental tools (human
> capital) for the purpose of developing and sustaining
> economies. Surely we can see these “levels of mental
> functioning” play out in the education system – more so in
> higher education where the class society is sustained,
> through inclusion and exclusion in the economic food chain.
>
> Back to the video I suggested in my previous email, James
> Lindsay “ideology” that is anti-Critical Theory is very
> concerning for me, if any of you had an opportunity to
> view this interviews, or any of his youtube videos, I
> would like to have your views on his developing ideology
> and movement.
>
> I will end here for now Martin, and I may not have
> adequately responded to your question.
>
> Regards,
>
> Simangele
>
> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On Behalf Of *Martin Packer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 June 2020 23:49
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
>
> Hi Simangele,
>
> How are you evaluating “level of mental functioning”? I
> would say that is something with which psychology has had
> some difficulty.
>
> Martin
>
> /"I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr.
> Lowie or discuss matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber,
> I become at once aware that my partner does not understand
> anything in the matter, and I end usually with the feeling
> that this also applies to myself” (Malinowski, 1930)/
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Simangele Mayisela
> <simangele.mayisela@wits.ac.za
> <mailto:simangele.mayisela@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
>
> Further, I still have more questions, however it does
> appear to me that at the heart of the “hypothesis” of
> the scientific question are the “levels” of mental
> development which are associated to “skin colour”,
> with little consideration of the historical oppression
> that created the “backwards” economies that keep the
> third of the global population is what appears to be
> of low level of mental functioning. The question is
> more about “what is the quality of the contents of
> what is embodies by the black skin or a white skin?”
> with the aim to find evidence for the difference.
>
> Just to share, lately have been viewing James Lindsay
> argument on what is “scientific”, “rigorous
> scientific” and “scholarship” vs popular narratives
> that are a propaganda based on Critical Theory, which
> are taking over academy. Here is one his videos that
> you may want to view – if you are Marxist at heart be
> warned that you may be challenged by Lindsay’s
> argument on ideologies.
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N55gFjg4yg__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHi6CNR26A$
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>
> Regards
>
> S’ma
>
> *From:*Simangele Mayisela
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:10
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> *Subject:* RE: [Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
>
> Dear Alfredo
>
> Thank you for taking my attention of “level” which is
> crucial to rendering the question “scientific”. But
> couple with level, which could be quantifies as “high”
> and “low” or “superior” or “inferior” would account
> for “difference”. As much as the question to be asked
> should be about the “ideological basis” , I think the
> “hypothesis” is likely to be linked to the “ideolody”
> as the hypothesis serves as springboard from which the
> scientist works from, which informs where the person
> will land in terms of the ideas.
>
> Nevertheless thank you for the clarification. I see
> what you mean ?
>
> Regards,
>
> S’ma
>
> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> *On Behalf
> Of *Alfredo Jornet Gil
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:51
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
>
> Dear S’ma,
>
> I am not sure anyone could provide that “scientific”
> basis without first explaining what is meant by
> “level,” and most importantly, why and how such
> explanation should be relevant to account for
> historical relations across cultures/societies,
> specially relations of oppression. I understand your
> curiosity, though, which is why I feel it is important
> to be very clear about this issue and not let it
> unfold as if this was simply an adequate scientific or
> philosophical research question. Given all that we
> know from history and more precisely from political
> economy, the important discussion is not about the
> scientific basis of that affirmation, but about its
> **ideological** basis: what sort of ideological
> inquiry is set forth by posing that question in the
> context of this thread and of this moment in history?
> There can be no question that there are and there were
> differences between the socioeconomic formations of
> different cultures and that such cultures were local,
> not global or international. So, the problem is not
> finding the “scientific” basis but the how and why
> that question is being raised. I hope this makes sense
> to all of you, does it?
>
> Alfredo
>
> *From: *<xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf of
> Simangele Mayisela <simangele.mayisela@wits.ac.za
> <mailto:simangele.mayisela@wits.ac.za>>
> *Reply to: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 19:57
> *To: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
>
> Friends!
>
> I am curious to read more about the scientific basis
> of the “the difference in the level of /the mental
> socioeconomic formation/ between the two.” Can
> colleagues be kind to provide scientific sources of
> this difference.
>
> Regards,
>
> S’ma
>
> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> *On Behalf
> Of *White, Phillip
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:08
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
>
> This is horribly troubling
>
> Racist eugenics
>
> Please stop
>
> Phillip
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Harshad Dave
> <hhdave15@gmail.com <mailto:hhdave15@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Prof. David,
>
> Your message reads...
>
> "I think racist filth, devoid of any scientific
> understanding and without a shred of scientific
> basis, should not be distributed anywhere. It
> certainly does not belong on this list."
>
> I request you to go through the following points
> carefully. Perhaps, you might catch the sound of
> my saying.
>
> Point 1
>
> If my views on the subject matter impress anyone
> that it is a distribution of the racist filth, I
> think they (my views) are grasped with a great
> misunderstanding.
>
> Whenever any unpleasant event happens (like the
> unfortunate death of Floyd or else) between
> black/brown and white, the attitude and mindset of
> racism in the event is discussed by all as if the
> color of the skin is responsible for it….. as if
> it is founded on the color of the skin.
>
> Here I disagree and simply say…. Basically it is
> not the cause of color of the skin but it (the
> cause) harbors in the difference in the level of
> /the mental socioeconomic formation/ between the two.
>
> Nowhere I ever said, no where I supported, no
> where I believed that *“it is justified”*.
>
> Please, try to understand me….
>
> “Whether racism should be there OR it should not
> be there”
>
> OR
>
> “If it is justified OR not justified”
>
> is not the subject matter of my saying. I just say
> the cause of the said “filth” does not lie in the
> color of the skin but it lies in the above
> mentioned “Level difference”.
>
> Point 2
>
> You have reproduced a small paragraph from my doc
> file that I attached in my previous message.
>
> If I am not mistaken to understand the essence of
> the saying in your message, I think you pointed out…
>
> “The views that I presented in the subject
> paragraph do not have /scientific understanding/
> and /scientific basis/.”
>
> I agree with you that while writing my subject
> views I have never searched if they have
> scientific support as above. I believe… /an
> outcome of contemplation/ and /a logical
> compliance/ are the supports and justifications of
> any /thinker/ to present his views.
>
> If people (readers) accept the views no research
> paper is needed to support them. When a thinker is
> asked to present scientific support for his views
> I fear doors of philosophical works will get shut
> down. I have not claimed the views are /rules/ and
> /laws/. If readers do not agree with them, the
> views automatically will become null and void.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harshad Dave
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:27 PM Mary van der Riet
> <VanDerRiet@ukzn.ac.za
> <mailto:VanDerRiet@ukzn.ac.za>> wrote:
>
> I agree
>
> /Mary van der Riet (Phd), Associate Professor/
>
> /Discipline of Psychology, School of Applied
> Human Sciences, College of
> Humanities, University of KwaZulu-Natal, South
> Africa/
>
> /email: vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za
> <mailto:vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za>
> tel: +27 33 260 6163/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on
> behalf of David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com
> <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 June 2020 02:32
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.
>
> Dear Mr. Dave:
>
> I think racist filth, devoid of any scientific
> understanding and without a shred of
> scientific basis, should not be
> distributed anywhere. It certainly does not
> belong on this list.
>
> "Who were the black people that Europeans
> brought with them? They were living in
> primitive habitations in Africa with very
> primitive socio economic formation. Their
> forefathers have never passed through the ups
> and downs in last 3000 years comparable to the
> lessons European people learned and sustained
> with and ever before that. The development of
> brain threads of the black people and
> structure of their DNA are in compliance with
> the pattern of life their forefathers passed
> through in Africa and its status was in line
> with the socio economic formation in which
> they lived when they were forcibly kidnapped
> as slaves by European people and their agents.
> Generally we talk about apartheid but it is
> complex issue. We never give consideration to
> this fact of difference in brain thread net
> work and structure of DNA and consequential
> difficulties people of both the sides face
> while they have to interact with each others."
>
>
> David Kellogg
>
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A
> manual and a manifesto.
>
> Outlines, Spring 2020
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHgQWTdAKQ$
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>
> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: /L.S.
> Vygotsky's Pedological Works/ /Volume One:
> Foundations of Pedology/"
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHghQxKmxg$
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>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:53 PM Harshad Dave
> <hhdave15@gmail.com
> <mailto:hhdave15@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> David—
>
> Your message addressed to Anthony
> impresses me that you have reached a
> conclusion in haste and prematurely about
> my concepts/views. Perhaps it might be due
> to weakness/error in the presentation of
> my views. Here I put three points to
> express myself.
>
> *Point 1:*
>
> When I contemplate on the issue of racism
> (discrimination between two sets of people
> from different origin), I temporarily
> suspend my feelings/sentiments founded on
> /philosophy of humanity/ to work on the
> issue impartially. I appeal to all friends
> to come out from that cocoon if they want
> to have a transparent vision on the
> subject issue.
>
> If anyone believes that the anatomy of the
> subject issue might be discovered by
> mounting one leg on the horse of our
> /sentiments and emotions on humanitarian
> concepts/ and second leg on the horse of
> /facts of/ /the prevailing social
> constitution of latest socio economic
> formation, /I think he will never succeed
> in his task.
>
> *Point 2:*
>
> Here below, I attach one doc file....
> title--- “Where the shoe pinches?” I
> request you to read the points discussed
> there on this subject matter on page 28 as
> the article is very long.
>
> [Go to page 28 and it starts – “It is not
> necessary that there should be two
> separate nations or habitations with
> different levels of socio economic
> formations and both………….”
>
> It ends at page no. 35 – “………. prejudice
> and partiality, but it is mandatory that
> they must have all the abilities to secure
> their right of enjoyment through their
> abilities only.”]
>
> The fact that is discussed in the above
> mentioned text cannot be overlooked with
> our /justice and good conscience/.
>
> *Point 3:*
>
> As concluded by David,
>
> “……but it seems to me that Mr. Dave is
> trying to reinterpret events in the USA
> using concepts……”
>
> I say he has misunderstood me. I do agree
> that the social constitution in India is
> influencedby “cast culture” but there are
> people who might think and analyze issues
> pertaining to social science and economics
> remaining out of the cocoon of “cast culture”.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harshad Dave
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 4:26 AM David
> Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com
> <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anthony--
>
> I think Annalisa knows more about this
> than I do, but it seems to me that Mr.
> Dave is trying to reinterpret events
> in the USA using concepts that are
> related to the ancient Hindu system of
> caste. Castes are not races (they are
> even less tied to pigmentation than
> race), and they are certainly not
> classes (they are reproduced by
> marriage and the family rather than by
> relations of production): I suppose
> they are something like kinship groups
> that are tied for historical as well
> as religious reasons to particular
> professions. Because they are
> emphasized in religion (and more
> recently in India's communal politics)
> they can certainly be said to be
> "socio-mental" in quality. Somehow I
> don't think that this is what Andy has
> in mind when he says that cultural
> artefacts bring the WHOLE of culture
> into interpersonal interaction and
> suspend the distinction between social
> theory and psychology!
>
>
> David Kellogg
>
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in
> memoriam: A manual and a manifesto.
>
> Outlines, Spring 2020
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHgQWTdAKQ$
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>
> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov:
> /L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works/
> /Volume One: Foundations of Pedology/"
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHghQxKmxg$
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>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 8:24 PM
> Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com
> <mailto:anthonymbarra@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I have no idea what you're
> talking about here, although my
> sense is that it's wildly wrong,
> in various ways. I am confused but
> hope you have a nice day, regardless.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020, Harshad
> Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com
> <mailto:hhdave15@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Atten.: Anthony Barra and
> David Kellog.
>
> Hi,
>
> This is with reference to your
> replies to my message. I am
> thankful for the same and
> regret for the delay in reply.
> I used the word “apartheid”
> just in the sense of racism,
> complains of blacks/brown that
> they are discriminated in
> social dealing by whites etc.
> David Kellog - Thanks for the
> detail source of the word
> “apartheid”, however I request
> you to take its meaning in the
> same sense as expressed above.
> The suggested/recommended
> articles are viewed in a
> glancing by me; I recall I
> have read them (one or more)
> on Academia web. You will
> agree their subject matter is
> different. Anthony Barra – The
> article that was recommended
> by you is read by me and it
> touches on various realities
> in the subject matter of our
> topic.
>
> I just put my views against
> the question I asked in my
> message dtd. 17 June 2020.
>
> There are two most probable
> answers.
>
> 1.The turned out black
> European people will be the
> victim of racism
> (discrimination) by the turned
> out white people from African
> origin.
>
> 2.The situation remains the
> same and the world will see
> protests and fights on an
> issue or against a complaining
> that the black European people
> discriminate white people of
> African origin in the USA.
>
> I leave it to the readers to
> give their logical
> consideration to the one out
> of the above two, but my
> opinion says the second answer
> will hold good, but one should
> not forget it is just true on
> hypothetical presumption.
>
> It is a mistake to believe
> that /the attitude of
> discrimination/ and /sickness
> of racism /harbor in the color
> of the skin. In fact above
> altitude/sickness is founded
> on the difference of */mental
> socio economic formation
> status/* of two men. There is
> a basic difference between the
> two statuses of /mental socio
> economic formation /of black
> people of African origin and
> that of white people of
> European origin. I believe
> that a mass of people
> constituting a society with
> advanced socio economic
> formation has fair chances to
> exploit the mass of people
> constituting a society with
> backward socio economic
> formation. It is equally true
> for two classes of peoples at
> different /mental socio
> economic formation status/
> also. But, here (in the USA)
> both the classes of people are
> living in the same society
> with one /constitution/ and
> uniform /rule of laws/. It is
> absurd to believe that the
> present socio economic
> formation of the society of
> the USA (21^st century) has
> prevailed and occupied equally
> and uniformly by each and
> every citizen of the USA. One
> might find various people in
> the present society of the USA
> with different levels of
> /mental socio economic
> formation status/. It is
> really a complicated situation
> when the society is throughout
> with the latest socio economic
> formation and members of the
> society are with varying
> levels of /mental socio
> economic formation status/ in
> the same society. Let me
> present part of the message of
> Abraham Lincoln before I
> finish this message.
>
> Fourth Debate: Charleston,
> Illinois – September 18, 1858.
>
> “/I will say then that I am
> not, nor ever have been, in
> favor of bringing about in any
> way the social and political
> equality of the white and
> black races, [applause]-that I
> am not nor ever have been in
> favor of making voters or
> jurors of negroes, nor of
> qualifying them to hold
> office, nor to intermarry with
> white people; and I will say
> in addition to this that there
> is a physical difference
> between the white and black
> races which I believe will
> forever forbid the two races
> living together on terms of
> social and political equality.
> And inasmuch as they cannot so
> live, while they do remain
> together there must be the
> position of superior and
> inferior, and I as much as any
> other man am in favor of
> having the superior position
> assigned to the white race. I
> say upon this occasion I do
> not perceive that because the
> white man is to have the
> superior position the negro
> should be denied everything./”
>
> Here it is between the lines
> that difference in the /mental
> socio economic formation
> status/could be compensated to
> some extent, but for equality
> people with backward /mental
> socio economic formation
> status/ will have to work hard
> to develop the same.
>
> I clarify, neither I am in
> favor of nor against the
> victims of the issue of
> discrimination and racism as
> far as my contemplation on the
> subject matter is to be
> carried out. But, I just want
> to explain where the real
> cause harbors.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harshad Dave
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:01
> PM David Kellogg
> <dkellogg60@gmail.com
> <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Harshad:
>
> I am still a little
> stunned by the last post
> you wrote, with all the
> references to predatory
> shopkeepers. It sounded
> like the stuff of a
> pogrom. As we discussed in
> the "My Hometown
> Minneapolis" thread, the
> threats to shopkeepers in
> Minneapolis often targeted
> South Asians, and had
> nothing to do with the
> police (except that the
> police may have been
> involved and certainly
> profitted from the looting
> politically).
>
> "Apartheid" is a term
> invented by the South
> African sociologist
> Verwoerd, who studied with
> the Gestalists. Some
> Gestaltists, like Narziss
> Ach and Felix Krueger,
> became Nazis; Verwoerd
> himself became, as you
> probably know, prime
> minister of South Africa
> and brought in the system
> of apartheid which Gandhi
> struggled against during
> his early years. The term
> used in my hometown
> Minneapolis is not
> "apartheid" but
> segregation: it is
> euphemistically referred
> to as "redlining" (by
> insurance companies) and
> "racial covenants" but not
> as "apartheid".
>
> Segregation and Jim Crow
> in Minneapolis is not
> based on pigmentation.
> Many "white" people are
> darker than blacks, and
> many black people are
> lighter than whites,
> because of the centuries
> of rape and the
> enthusiasm of slave owners
> for the practice of
> selling their own
> children. The last time I
> visited the "housing
> project"near where I grew
> up it was full of Hmong
> from Southeast Asia.
> Segregation in Minneapolis
> is above all a matter of
> class.
>
>
> David Kellogg
>
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: Ruqaiya
> Hasan, in memoriam: A
> manual and a manifesto.
>
> Outlines, Spring 2020
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHgQWTdAKQ$
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>
> New Translation with
> Nikolai Veresov: /L.S.
> Vygotsky's Pedological
> Works/ /Volume One:
> Foundations of Pedology/"
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270__;!!Mih3wA!Sa5mTXTUciZvOSNyR7TPM_BVrUmPaVGQzubjShVgZd3QSYnmJo62JadaqK74yHghQxKmxg$
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>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at
> 4:16 PM Harshad Dave
> <hhdave15@gmail.com
> <mailto:hhdave15@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all there,
>
> We all are aware of
> the event of the death
> of George Floyd in the
> USA under police
> custody. There are
> flows of opinions,
> comments and views on
> the event with
> different aspects all
> over the world. There
> are debates and
> discussions on the
> event on innumerable
> web sites, we find
> them in newspapers and
> among the talks of
> people at private and
> public places. We just
> do not talk about
> riots and other events
> happened under agony
> and out burst of anger
> on the unfortunate
> death of Floyd,
> however, voice against
> apartheid was the
> major cry behind them.
>
> Though there are
> various vital aspects
> of the event,
> */apartheid/* remained
> prime of them.
>
> I simply ask one
> question to my friends
> who read this post.
>
> Let us
> hypothetically presume,
> on one day fine
> morning, when people
> of the USA awake, they
> find that skin color
> of all the blacks is
> changed to perfectly
> white like european
> people and the skin
> color of all the
> europeans changed to
> black like negro.
>
> I ask my friends,
> "What will be the
> status of
> */apartheid/* in this
> situation?"
>
> NB: I write one
> article on the ill
> fated event and its
> aspects. Your views on
> the above question
> will help me to write
> my views with more
> clarity in the article.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harshad Dave
>
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