[Xmca-l] Re: My Hometown Minneapolis

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Obama was irrelevant too to these social problems and world left and a
strong part of civilized world were contaminated by Obama mania.
This is a mechanism of capitalism to deceive masses since Louis Blanc in
1848.
Some bush, then some obama, then some trump.
Macron to prevent Le Pen.
Corbyn to prevent Johnson.
The same everywhere.

5 Haz 2020 Cum 17:06 tarihinde Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> şunu yazdı:

> Anthony, American cops were killing people before Trump and they'll most
> likely still be killing people after Trump. There've  been plenty of
> pandemics before Trump and there will be more in the future. And you want
> to make this about Trump??! The only reason Trump is relevant to these big
> social problems is that he's irrelevant to them but he's the President.
> Hard to avoid that.
>
> Andy
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> On 5/06/2020 11:40 pm, Anthony Barra wrote:
>
> I, too, like avoiding politics here, but this will be a social
> analysis/dialectics question, piggybacking on a fair amount of the rest of
> this "Minneapolis" thread.  So don't ban me! : )
>
>
> Rhetorical hyperbole aside, is this the biggest Straw Man of all time, or
> are a percentage of the following sentences true? My guess is: both. (At
> first I thought that everyone here would reflexively reject and dismiss
> this Social Analysis out of hand - and understandably too, but now I'm
> wondering if some parts of it might be acknowledged, unapologetically, as
> in fact correct.)
>
> "This is about Donald Trump. Of course it is. We just couldn't see it. For
> normal people, Donald Trump is a president: you may like him, you may not
> like him, but either way there will be another president at some point, and
> we will move on as we always have.  But for Donald Trump's enemies: there
> is nothing else. Everything is about Trump; everything. Donald Trump
> defines their friendships, their careers, their marriages. Donald Trump
> affects how they raise their children. Trump occupies the very center of
> their lives. As long as Donald Trump remains in the White House, they feel
> powerless and diminished and panicked, and they cannot be happy.
>
> In everything they do, their overriding goal is to remove Donald Trump
> from office. And that's exactly what they're trying to do now. That's what
> these riots are about.
>
> The most privileged in our society are using the most desperate in our
> society to seize power from everyone else. Got that? That's the nub of it:
> the most privileged are using the most desperate to seize power from the
> rest of us. They are not seeking racial justice. If they were seeking
> racial justice, they wouldn't be denouncing their fellow Americans for
> their race - which they are. It has nothing to do with it. What they are
> seeking is total control of the country. And it goes without saying that
> none of this has anything to do with George Floyd. Shame on those who
> pretended that it did. Those who fell for the lie, and those who knew
> better but played along because they are cowards."
>
> Souce: Tucker Carlson, "Liberal activists now want to 'defund the police'"
>
> (P.S. My own personal utopia would be to synthesize the very best ideas of
> the left with the very best of the right, but alas, that is by definition a
> dream, by definition "no place.")
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts (and yes, this thread is
> America-centric, starting from post #1 about the great city of Minneapolis
> -- sorry to those understandably not interested).
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, I'll take a look. Sounds similar to dialectics, little I know
>> of both.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020, Richard Beach <rbeach@umn.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Anthony, the concept of “expansive learning” posits that objects/motive
>>> in activity are ideally always open to change/transformation—that they are
>>> never fixed given that as participants encounter new
>>> contradictions/challenges, they “learn to”/formulate new objects/motives.
>>> This requires learners to be open to exploring optional actions/tools/norms
>>> as they redefine/revise their ever expanding objects/motives.
>>>
>>> Coping with decades-long racist practices in Minneapolis, requires
>>> “expansive learning” to continually experiment with new objects/motives
>>> given that some of the tools/practices attempted in the past haven’t
>>> necessarily worked, although attempts were made to do so, only to be
>>> blocked by a timid political leadership
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.startribune.com/in-2008-we-had-a-reform-plan-for-the-mpd-it-got-derailed-by-politics/570998162/__;!!Mih3wA!SLGpQj8PmApHqKlEeH3z-ohB8R76qeqnpglVMrj9N2HOiJRn_QxL9FXpHMmS9eXEdK2Cgg$>
>>> .
>>>
>>> For more on expansive learning theory, see attached reports:
>>> Engeström,Y., & Sannino, A. (2010). Studies of expansive learning:
>>> Foundations, findings and future challenges. *Educational Research
>>> Review, 5*, 1–24.
>>> Sannino, A., Engeström, Y., & Lemos, M. (2016). Formative interventions
>>> for expansivelearning and transformative agency. *Journal of the
>>> Learning Sciences, 25*(4), 599-633.
>>>
>>>
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