[Xmca-l] Re: "15 La era está pariendo un corazón - Omara portuondo y Martín Rojas"

Wed Jun 3 09:15:20 PDT 2020

If you're arguments here are about the misapplication of idealist support,
then this interview with Thomas Sowell may be of interest. Some of his
arguments are akin to those of Ivan Illich.
Best,
Huw

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 13:31, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Haydi,
> Thank you for the MLKJr reference. In the article that Anthony sent me the
> protestors are construed as young, white, sons and daughters of affluent
> parents engaged in improv theater. It’s theater on a world stage. Or maybe
> on stages throughout the world, playing to a world audience. I think the
> author of the article has made too much of the privileged position of the
> protestors. But it is symbolic and cathartic. This certainly resonates with
> Vygotsky’s interest in theater. Stanislavsky would be a touchstone for the
> perizhvanie being played out now. Others on the list might have other
> dramatic theorists in mind.
> Henry
>
> On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:43 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@gmail.com> wrote:
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> riot is the language of the unheard”
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> More than 50 years ago (on 14 April 1967), Martin Luther King Jr.
> delivered one of his famous speeches, on "The Other America," at Stanford
> University.* King patiently explained to the audience of students and
> faculty members that, while in his view "riots are socially destructive and
> self-defeating," they are "in the final analysis. . .the language of the
> unheard."
>
> Today, as protestors take to the streets across America, in response to
> the recent murders of George Floyd
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html__;!!Mih3wA!TJEloCPS7Y1yF6vdXth_nMq1HVPLHCGkooWjK6YZsQeNENZGkCtdUYj5AhOBYaPZNVVrtA$>
> , Ahmaud Arbery
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> , and Breonna Taylor
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html__;!!Mih3wA!TJEloCPS7Y1yF6vdXth_nMq1HVPLHCGkooWjK6YZsQeNENZGkCtdUYj5AhOBYaN6rWVgFw$>,
> King's words speak louder than ever. America, he warned, "has failed to
> hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met" and that
> "large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and
> the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity."
>
> The question is, what if anything has changed over the past half century?
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:09 AM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anthony,
>> I finally got a chance to read the article. I t confirms my sense that
>> the breaking windows on Central for about 6 blocks in Albuquerque does
>> Black people no good and strengthens Trump,
>>
>> But I have concerns about the article as a description of what happened
>> here. I wonder just what percentage of the young white people that did it
>> are from really affluent families? The article implies that that it’s all
>> of them. I don’t think so. Maybe it’s because this is New Mexico and we are
>> typically at the bottom of every ranking on income, education and child
>> welfare. Nor do I think that most of them have great prospects financially.
>> Also, many could be young people of color since there are not many Black
>> people in New Mexico, but a lot of Hispanics and Native Americans. Behind a
>> mask, how would you know who’s white and who not? Now a countervailing
>> narrative is that 1) right wingers from outside are the violent ones and 2)
>> bricks are being made available in large amounts by outsiders, right wing,
>> instigators. The violence (to property) happened after peaceful protests in
>> Albuquerque . And one more thing about the scale of the property damage.
>> Here it was minor…so far. Stores will be back in business pretty soon, with
>> particle board in place, as if preparing for a hurricane. Windows aren’t
>> cheap, but insurance will take care of that. Finally, the violence has been
>> to property and no one has been injured on either side as far as I know.
>>
>> Henry
>>
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>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, Henry.
>>
>> Your "Kimo" post is interesting in a number of ways, thanks.
>>
>> Shortly after reading it, I stumbled across this sociohistorical piece
>> via Twitter -- and it reads as if it originated in a more right-leaning
>> xmca type community:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/hub-city-riot-ninjas__;!!Mih3wA!TG022OhDiAP5yS9MaQ5eimAexO3rAfEhwM0s1PF9-zTCwSyMVephlTG_siH1erLQOeVWTQ$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/hub-city-riot-ninjas__;!!Mih3wA!SQ01TbPk4LQUbmiH5pCKDGArwbFGjmuMZhcCU6Ijfz5eOIhxLn-keX0YyFXoduFm4BhiAQ$> (*By
>> the way, does anybody know if such a listserv exists? I.e., a more
>> right-tilted "forum for a community of interdisciplinary scholars who
>> share an interest in the study of human mind in its cultural and historical
>> contexts"?  That would be really interesting to check out, though I get the
>> sense that XMCA is truly a one-of-kind, global locale.
>>
>> Nonetheless Henry, a number of passages, regardless of their accuracy,
>> efficacy, or purity, brought your "Kimo" post to mind, including this one:
>> "While the initial occasion of a protest may be the death of a member of
>> a minority group in police custody, affluent young white leftists are more
>> interested in symbolic violence against capitalism or patriarchy or
>> whatever.
>> These children of the economic elite end up harming those on whose behalf
>> they pretend to be speaking."
>>
>> Thanks again for the cool poem.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
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>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:56 PM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mi Gente,
>>> I was watching a terribly down, but beautiful, movie that was just
>>> released on Netflix, Ya No Estoy, about Ulíses, a 17 year-old living in a
>>> gang-dominated barrio in Monterrey, a totally cool kid, devoted to hip hop
>>> in the streets to the music of the Cumbia. He has to escape to NYC to keep
>>> from being killed. Ulises finds more violence and less understanding there
>>> and returns to Monterrey to his certain death. As I am watching the film, I
>>> hear in the next room my wife crying out in distress. I ask her why and she
>>> tells me that the Kimo, a beautiful art deco performance space in downtown
>>> Albuquerque (I live in the North Valley), has been burned:
>>>  https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiMo_Theater__;!!Mih3wA!TG022OhDiAP5yS9MaQ5eimAexO3rAfEhwM0s1PF9-zTCwSyMVephlTG_siH1erL2xexYIA$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiMo_Theater__;!!Mih3wA!TMsTYBOglSLvWI4GpFSQfkVB9bQ2s5OoV_9pHiDkWrizHd9H2AheS8_iopyTfgXIw04bPQ$>
>>> Then I see one of the most uplifting movies I have ever seen called
>>> Quincy, about Quincy Jones, who produced music with Frank Sinatra to
>>> Michael Jackson, as well as the We Are The World concert.
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Jones__;!!Mih3wA!TG022OhDiAP5yS9MaQ5eimAexO3rAfEhwM0s1PF9-zTCwSyMVephlTG_siH1erJjwCrUqw$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Jones__;!!Mih3wA!TMsTYBOglSLvWI4GpFSQfkVB9bQ2s5OoV_9pHiDkWrizHd9H2AheS8_iopyTfgVDcgQrhw$>
>>> This morning I bicycled south to see the damage to the Kimo. I was
>>> relieved to see that the damage was only broken windows. But I was
>>> saddened, disappointed and alarmed that such things are done in reaction to
>>> the death of George Floyd. To deface or destroy something beautiful in the
>>> name of justice makes no sense to me. And it plays into Trump’s hands. But
>>> to embellish the story from broken windows to a fire that might even have
>>> threatened the structural integrity of the Kimo, that is what an echo
>>> chamber does.
>>> We have to do better, folks. Maybe we should be dancing in the streets
>>> and joyfully, if tearfully, to honor Mr. George’s death. Quincy knew what
>>> he was doing. So did Ulíses.
>>> Henry
>>> P.S. So did Bill Withers:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkaexjc-1os__;!!Mih3wA!TG022OhDiAP5yS9MaQ5eimAexO3rAfEhwM0s1PF9-zTCwSyMVephlTG_siH1erKR_TnldA$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkaexjc-1os__;!!Mih3wA!TMsTYBOglSLvWI4GpFSQfkVB9bQ2s5OoV_9pHiDkWrizHd9H2AheS8_iopyTfgVeqYzrCA$>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 12:08 AM, Bill Kerr <billkerr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I ran the lyrics past a Spanish speaking friend and this is what she
>>> came up with:
>>>
>>> Firstly, I love Silvio Rodriquez, but he is incredibly difficult to
>>> translate as his songs are definitely poetry too. Also, my Spanish is
>>> pretty rusty.
>>>
>>> I read a few different people’s discussion of the song’s meaning,
>>> written in Spanish. I couldn’t really find any translation that made sense.
>>> They are all too literal.
>>>
>>> This is what I have come up with.
>>>
>>> The song poses the question of how we can live and enjoy our lives when
>>> there is so much suffering in the world. The answer is in solidarity.
>>>
>>> La era está pariendo un corazón
>>> No puede más, se muere de dolor
>>> Y hay que acudir corriendo
>>> Pues se cae el porvenir
>>> En cualquier selva del mundo
>>> En cualquier call
>>>
>>> This era is growing a heart (as in a collective heart/spirit)
>>> The burden is too much, it will die of pain.
>>> We need to hurry to help
>>> Because the future is breaking in every part of the world
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:04 AM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ulvi,
>>>> I know this version. I am pretty sure I first heard a different version
>>>> long ago.
>>>> I realize that I mistranslated the “La Era Está Pariendo Un Corazón”.
>>>> It should be “An era is giving birth to a heart” But then, “No puede
>>>> más, se muere de dolor”, must mean that the era itself is experiencing the
>>>> pain as it gives birth to the heart.
>>>> Henry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/qTJzYtd1l7M__;!!Mih3wA!TG022OhDiAP5yS9MaQ5eimAexO3rAfEhwM0s1PF9-zTCwSyMVephlTG_siH1erIvITPD5w$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/qTJzYtd1l7M__;!!Mih3wA!WIW89lahdAHo8g-kQ9_bgc1f2np__40pidl0CNpTdFrwPXIc8x5ToKRE3EX78uxZGs14Hw$>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think best interpretation of this song.
>>>>
>>>> Ulvi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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