[Xmca-l] Re: Identity and personality

[Annalisa Aguilar]

Hi Andy, Hans and venerable others,

What is CHAT's explanation for what the "material" is of personality and identity?

How does the body with its interactions in the world produce a mind that has a personality and an identity?

And also, how does genetics (or nature) and biological inheritance play their roles according to CHAT?

How is it possible for me to even utter, "This is my mind; this is my personality; this is my identity."

Why do I say "my"? Why can I say "my?"

I'm very curious to hear about that.

Kind regards,

Annalisa


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I hope others will chime in with more answers for you, Hans, because this is actually a very complex question.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.amazon.com.au/Identity-Agency-Cultural-Dorothy-Holland/dp/0674005627__;!!Mih3wA!Qo69t_ZkdVJNPYzbHlUGCav74sUAFuPBjyj5t-cp1NfjZb6v1fwfmiQdhxxl7sn_g0KIYQ$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.amazon.com.au/Identity-Agency-Cultural-Dorothy-Holland/dp/0674005627__;!!Mih3wA!XIQO3yYLAB1Akq-BjMwXNNcW2pGv4KGlt9xwLTRfoW-Pl-kqrneI2RnHjjp__h7E-nxZuQ$> "Identity and Agency in Cultural Worlds" will have a lot helpful material for you. As I recall, in this book, Dorothy Holland explains that there are two basic answers to asking what is the "self." For some people it is a kind of inner core, for others it is something that grows and matures in interaction with the world, layers rather than an inner core. CHAT writers tend to answer for the second approach rather than the first.

Add to this the difficulty in translating the word "personality" between Russian and English. There are not perfect matches. Even the Kantian "I" is a construct of development for CHAT and not some transcendental entity. Vygotsky and Leontyev are more like Hegel and Marx than Kant and Nietzsche.

The following article of mine  https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Leontyev*20and*20Social*20Theory.pdf__;JSUl!!Mih3wA!Qo69t_ZkdVJNPYzbHlUGCav74sUAFuPBjyj5t-cp1NfjZb6v1fwfmiQdhxxl7sltaL8CxA$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Leontyev*20and*20Social*20Theory.pdf__;JSUl!!Mih3wA!XIQO3yYLAB1Akq-BjMwXNNcW2pGv4KGlt9xwLTRfoW-Pl-kqrneI2RnHjjp__h7ubZU7cA$> looks at Leontyev's ideas, including his idea of "personality," and https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Fedor*20Vasilyuk.pdf__;JQ!!Mih3wA!Qo69t_ZkdVJNPYzbHlUGCav74sUAFuPBjyj5t-cp1NfjZb6v1fwfmiQdhxxl7snIKBtv7A$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Fedor*20Vasilyuk.pdf__;JQ!!Mih3wA!XIQO3yYLAB1Akq-BjMwXNNcW2pGv4KGlt9xwLTRfoW-Pl-kqrneI2RnHjjp__h5_RkHW3Q$> looks at Vasilyuk's Psychology which may also help shed light on Soviet approaches.

Hope that helps.
Andy

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On 8/07/2020 6:23 pm, Hans Knutagård wrote:

Dear xmca,

I am struggling between the notion of personality and identity in the framework of Chat. My understanding is that we cannot talk about identity only personality since it os required in relation to other people and environment. Can somebody help me with some reading or references I can dig into?

Yours Hans


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