[Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?

[Greg Mcverry]

These tests in the USA do exist in teacher training.

Admission usually requires the Praxis 1. After finishing students must take
the Praxis II in their subject area (multiple tests for Elementary), the
Foundations of Reading Test, and now more recently Pearson's  EDTPA test.

Teachers take more tests to get certified  than Doctors and lawyers in USA.

In Connecticut, USA we noticed how these created barriers to teacher of
color...So now it must be "any test" for admission which can include SAT,
ACT, GRE, or Praxis. There is no longer a cut score but universities must
offer "remediation"

The biggest psychometric BS going on right now is in the measure of
dispostions. Everyone must measure, even though not a single person or
study knows how, the "professional dispositions" at multiple time points.
It is utter fiction.

All of this is driven by accreditation and the recent turn of blaming
teacher prepprograms for low test scores among students of color.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:26 AM JULIE WADDINGTON <julie.waddington@udg.edu>
wrote:

> David,
>
> Thank you for this. I was recently talking to a practising psychologist
> friend about teacher training. The conversation led her to tell me about
> efforts being made in some circles (she mentioned the national college of
> psychologists) to make psychometric tests compulsory to be able to access
> university teacher training: candidates deemed 'unsuitable' would be denied
> access. I was very uncomfortable with this idea for many reasons. The
> information you share gives me more reasons to doubt the 'usefulness' of
> such tests and to worry about their potential application.
>
> I'll keep your reply on file in case we (those in teacher training) need
> to argue the case against psychotechnic selection at some point.
>
> Julie
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> Dra. Julie Waddington
> Departament de Didàctiques Específiques
> Facultat d'Educació i Psicologia
> Universitat de Girona
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> *De:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
> en nom de David Kellogg [dkellogg60@gmail.com]
> *Enviat el:* dimecres, 15 / gener / 2020 05:09
> *Per a:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> *Tema:* [Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> But psychotechnics was really the Soviet version of human resource
> management. The idea was to select particular "types" for particular jobs.
> It wasn't really a Soviet idea--it started in Germany (and in fact, the
> Nazis were very big on it; the selection ramp at Auschwitz was based on
> it). In China, there was also quite a bit of emphasis on making sure that
> people suited the professions chosen for them, as education was a very
> scarce resource.
>
> Isaac Spielrein--Sabine's brother, who was a colleague of Vygotsky--was a
> psychotechnician; his essay on the language of the Red Army soldier is
> written with that perspective in mind. And it was at a psychotechnic
> conference that Vygotsky was asked if there could be a pedology of adults,
> to aid in psychotechnic selection.
>
> Vygotsky said no.
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and
> Word" i
> in *Mind Culture and Activity*
>
> *https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
> <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775> *
> Some free e-prints available at:
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>
> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works
> Volume One: Foundations of Pedology"
>
>  https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:02 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> Might you be looking for “psychotechnics” Andy?
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:35 PM David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy--
>>>
>>> That really doesn't sound like Vygotsky to me.
>>>
>>> Yes, he refers to art as the "social technique of emotion" (Psychology
>>> of Art). Yes, he did experiments on reading "Gentle Breath" to see if
>>> Bunin's short story had any affect on breathing rates. But as far as I know
>>> he had nothing to do with Luria's work on lie detectors (in The Nature of
>>> Human Conflict), and he was even rather skeptical of Luria's work on
>>> optical illusions in "uneducated" peoples
>>>
>>> . Remember, this is the guy who denied that a general psychology could
>>> ever cut itself off from practice and vice versa (History of the Crisis in
>>> Psychology), who rejected the idea that thinking is speech with the sound
>>> turned off (Thinking and Speech). Besides, who ever heard of a technology
>>> opposed to an epistemology? What would that mean? A hand without a brain?
>>>
>>> Vygotsky sounds more like this: "Neither the hand nor the brain left to
>>> itself can do much."  Francis Bacon, *Novum Organum* (1620), Book 1,
>>> Aphorism 2.
>>>
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Sangmyung University
>>>
>>> New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and
>>> Word" i
>>> in *Mind Culture and Activity*
>>>
>>> *https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>>> <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775> *
>>> Some free e-prints available at:
>>>
>>> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's somewhere where Vygotsky talks about psychology as a technology
>>>> as opposed to (for example) an epistemology. Can anyone point me to where
>>>> this observation is to be found. I can find it with my search engines. I
>>>> think Vygotsky and Luria's invention of the lie-detector has been mentioned
>>>> in this connection.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>>> Hegel for Social Movements <https://brill.com/view/title/54574>
>>>> Home Page <https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm>
>>>>
>>> --
>>  fiction is but a form of symbolic action, a mere game of “as if”,
>> therein lies its true   function and its potential for effecting change -
>> R. Ellison
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>>

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