[Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Thu Jan 16 15:05:37 PST 2020
Here is what J B Watson had to say about Behaviourism:
“Psychology as the behaviorist views it is a purely
objective experimental branch of natural science. Its
theoretical goal is the prediction and control of
behavior. Introspection forms no essential part of its
methods, nor is the scientific value of its data
dependent upon the readiness with which they lend
themselves to interpretation in terms of consciousness.
The behaviorist, in his efforts to get a unitary scheme
of animal response, recognizes no dividing line between
man and brute” (‘Psychology as the Behaviorist Views
it’, 1913)
Andy
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On 17/01/2020 3:13 am, Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote:
>
> What you write makes sense to me, Michael. I meant
> behaviorism as a science of control from a pedagogy
> perspective. I use to raise the question “what type of
> pedagogy do arrive at when you take the S-R scheme (and
> conditioning) as your main explanatory scheme?” If you
> raise the same question from a sociocultural perspective,
> the answer is quite different, and allows for issues of
> freedom in a whole new light.
>
> In terms of Vygotsky’s positions, I think you render a
> valid reading.
>
> Although I think that today’s school curricula in most
> countries are quite explicit on the importance of the
> “adaptable thinking skills” that you refer to, rather than
> on educating for jobs (although I can see that is still
> the underlying assumption). You can read about those
> skills in the so-called XXIst century skills, very
> extended in recent educational reforms (including critical
> thinking skills, creativity, collaborative skills, digital
> skills…). I am afraid, though, that the ecosocial crises
> that we are facing are very quickly and patently showing
> how narrow our understandings of the sort of skills needed
> to survive in the XXIst century are. I think that what the
> climate crisis is showing us is that we need to connect
> those notions of thinking with the practical
> socio-economical organization of power and of the
> relations of humans with nature. I don’t remember now
> where I read that a scientist had been including spikes of
> civil activism, disobedience, and social disrest in
> his/her climate prediction computer models, and was
> showing that these were the only variables that may have a
> largest, quickest effect in achieving the gas emission
> reductions needed (if you can reduce the solution to
> reducing gas emissions…). I think events today are
> re-writing the way “progressing towards a modern world”
> made concious thinking more relevant… But this is a
> digression, sorry!
>
> Alfredo
>
> *From: *<xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of
> "Glassman, Michael" <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> *Reply to: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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> *Date: *Thursday, 16 January 2020 at 15:49
> *To: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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> *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> Hi Alfredo and Andy,
>
> I am not sure I agree with this characterization of
> behaviorism. Especially at the time he was writing
> behaviorism was for the most part I think focusing on the
> behaviors of individuals rather than going inside the head
> to understand what individuals did. It cast quite a wide
> net, from Thorndike to Mead. But I don’t think at this
> point that Vygotsky had a dog in a cognitive/behaviorist
> fight (maybe I am wrong). I sort of see Vygotsky at this
> point as not so much discussing control of individuals by
> those outside them (at least not directly) but the ways
> individuals are able to control the ecologies around them.
> He sees this occurring in two possible ways, being able to
> use internalized tools in order to directly control the
> ecology, and being able to control their own thinking so
> that they can actually play (not the right word) with
> these internalized symbols before applying them. He has
> not difficulty with the former, and all that is really
> necessary is to be taught different applications for
> limited situations. But as we progressed to a modern world
> the ability to lead a satisfactory life from a small set
> of applications you might say becomes more and more
> difficult. Humans developed more abstract thinking,
> controlling their thoughts to deal with a quickly changing
> and heterogenous ecology, but this demanded conscious
> effort on the part of social interlocutors (formal
> teaching). The difficulty he raises in the socialist
> alteration of man is that this type of conscious effort
> was limited to only a small population that then used
> their more adaptable thinking skills (I am hesitant to say
> advanced) to manipulate (to differentiate from control)
> those who were on the lower rungs of society. I mean we
> continue to do this today when we argue to educate
> students for specific jobs but do not offer broader
> education in thinking (there is nothing wrong in training
> in skills such as mechanics and plumbing, but unless we
> teach people to manipulate their thinking about those
> skills they will never really have control of what they do
> in a complex society. I don’t think that is what Vygotsky
> was writing about in Crisis, but it does set up a road map
> for where he wants to go, which I actually think you can
> see in part even in his dissertation on Hamlet.
>
> Michael
>
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On Behalf Of *Alfredo
> Jornet Gil
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> Andy, all,
>
> Behaviorism as the science of controlling people, as the
> opposite of an emancipatory science, is exactly how I
> teach it in my learning theory courses. I too find the
> most useful reading of Vygotsky’s attempts as aiming at an
> emancipatory science, although clearly the instrumental
> bend in some of the formulations gets in the way,
> including the terminology of “control” that also
> characterized, for example, Dewey’s ideas on inquiry. “The
> artificial control of behavior” could for example be as
> well formulated as the object-oriented activity of a
> social movement, which precisely aims to gain “control”
> over conditions for development; only that “control” might
> be a quite misleading way of posing it…
>
> Alfredo
>
> *From: *<xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf of
> Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>>
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> *Date: *Thursday, 16 January 2020 at 12:52
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> *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> Michael, I simply take Vygotsky at his (translated) word.
> He wants "a scientific theory which would lead to the
> subordination and mastery of the mind, to the artificial
> control of behaviour" and whether he likes Munsterberg or
> personality testing for jobs is, to me, irrelevant.
>
> Now there /is /an ambiguity in Vygotsky's claim.
> Behaviourism, for example, I would define as the science
> of controlling people, and as such is the opposite of an
> emancipatory science. What Vygotsky is mainly interested
> in, on the other hand, is giving to people the capacity to
> control /their own/ mind. But this is not clear from the
> above, and maybe Vygotsky himself wasn't clear. His
> writing on "socialist man" and the business with lie
> detectors suggest that there were some blind spots there.
>
> Anyway, I was only interested in using the quote for my
> own purposes in contrasting the academic literature on
> "social Movement Studies" and that genre of social
> movement literature written by and for activist, which is
> usually narrative or autobiographical in style, and in the
> above sense "technic" rather than "epistemology."
>
> Andy
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> On 16/01/2020 6:42 am, Glassman, Michael wrote:
>
> I don’t know, the sense I get is that he was really
> criticizing Musterberg, not embracing him, at least
> from what I read in Crisis. Vygotsky seems to believe
> we should be wary of this idea of a practical
> psychology that can use empirical means to look
> predict human behavior. One hint I get from the piece
> is his mention of using practical psychology to
> determine whether people should be tram drivers. To me
> it sounds like he was arguing also against the rising
> use of intelligence tests as a psychological tool.
> James brought over Musterberg in part I think to
> explore the idea of empirical psychology and
> Musterberg it seems wound up merging empirical and
> practical in ways that Vygotsky thought might be
> detrimental, rightfully suggesting it would send
> psychology towards the types of practical models of
> the physical sciences where it did not belong,
> something that I think has plagued the field since. At
> least from my reading of this piece is that Vygotsky
> also found it confusing that Musterberg by following
> James was also grabbing hold of an idealist vision of
> psychology, that people behave in certain ways because
> they were human. Vygotsky seemed to think that there
> was no way to reconcile this. At this moment I see
> this as sort of a precursor of where Vygotsky wanted
> to go, finding a way to merge the idealist vision with
> a material approach but not falling into a trap in
> either direction. He did not want to be Wundt and he
> did not want to be Musterberg, he definitely wanted
> nothing to do with the intelligence testers who
> combined “empirical” and practical psychology for
> ideological reasons (just recently heard about Thomas
> Teo’s idea of epistemic violence. I think that might
> fit in here).
>
> Michael
>
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> Mike,
>
> take a look at Internet Archive (archive.org), you can
> find PDF files of most of Münsterberg's books there.
> It is obvious, that Müsterberg had a great influence
> on LSV, at least in his theory's instrumental phase.
>
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> *Aihe:* [Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> In my view, Munsterberg was no fool and was deeply
> immersed in the problem of the "two psychologies" that
> LSV sought to supercede. For a quick take on
> "psychotechnics" in work, check his book out on google
> and search the term. For example,
>
> Psychotechnics is really a technical science related
> to a causal [experimental-mc] psychology as
> engineering is related to physics. Psychotechnics
> necessarily refers to the future while the
> psychohistorical sciences refer to the past.
> (Munsterg, 1915, p.354)
>
> It would be interesting to stage a discussion
> bertween Munsterberg and LSV. Which one would have
> more to say for his accomplishments view from, say, 2020?
>
> And if someone has a pdf of the book, please sing out!
>
> mike
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:25 AM Glassman, Michael
> <glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know, I read it that he was criticizing
> Munsterberg with his discussion of psychotechnics,
> which I guess was the title of Munsterberg’s last
> book. To meet it reads like Vygotsky was thinking
> Munsterberg was falling into a dangerous
> materialist trap. Maybe that’s what you are saying
> Andy.
>
> Michael
>
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?
>
> This is what I was looking for:
>
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri12.htm#p1207
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> It was the exclusion of "psychotechnics" from the
> fundamental problems of psychology which he
> objected to. On the contrary, the philosophy of
> practice provided all the solutions to these
> problems. "The goal of such a psychology is not
> Shakespeare in concepts, as it was for Dilthey,
> but */in one word – psychotechnics/*, i.e., a
> scientific theory which would lead to the
> subordination and mastery of the mind, to the
> artificial control of behaviour."
>
> Thanks all.
> Andy
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>
> On 15/01/2020 3:09 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>
> But psychotechnics was really the Soviet
> version of human resource management. The idea
> was to select particular "types" for
> particular jobs. It wasn't really a Soviet
> idea--it started in Germany (and in fact, the
> Nazis were very big on it; the selection ramp
> at Auschwitz was based on it). In China, there
> was also quite a bit of emphasis on making
> sure that people suited the professions chosen
> for them, as education was a very scarce resource.
>
> Isaac Spielrein--Sabine's brother, who was a
> colleague of Vygotsky--was a psychotechnician;
> his essay on the language of the Red Army
> soldier is written with that perspective in
> mind. And it was at a psychotechnic conference
> that Vygotsky was asked if there could be a
> pedology of adults, to aid in psychotechnic
> selection.
>
> Vygotsky said no.
>
>
> David Kellogg
>
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality
> of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i
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> in /Mind Culture and Activity/
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> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S.
> Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One:
> Foundations of Pedology"
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> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:02 PM mike cole
> <mcole@ucsd.edu <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
>
> Might you be looking for “psychotechnics”
> Andy?
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:35 PM David
> Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com
> <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Andy--
>
> That really doesn't sound like
> Vygotsky to me.
>
> Yes, he refers to art as the "social
> technique of emotion" (Psychology of
> Art). Yes, he did experiments on
> reading "Gentle Breath" to see if
> Bunin's short story had any affect on
> breathing rates. But as far as I know
> he had nothing to do with Luria's work
> on lie detectors (in The Nature of
> Human Conflict), and he was even
> rather skeptical of Luria's work on
> optical illusions in "uneducated" peoples
>
> . Remember, this is the guy who denied
> that a general psychology could ever
> cut itself off from practice and vice
> versa (History of the Crisis in
> Psychology), who rejected the idea
> that thinking is speech with the sound
> turned off (Thinking and Speech).
> Besides, who ever heard of a
> technology opposed to an epistemology?
> What would that mean? A hand without a
> brain?
>
> Vygotsky sounds more like this:
> "Neither the hand nor the brain left
> to itself can do much." Francis
> Bacon, /Novum Organum/ (1620), Book 1,
> Aphorism 2.
>
>
> David Kellogg
>
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: 'Commentary: On the
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> Word" i
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> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM Andy
> Blunden <andyb@marxists.org
> <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
> There's somewhere where Vygotsky
> talks about psychology as a
> technology as opposed to (for
> example) an epistemology. Can
> anyone point me to where this
> observation is to be found. I can
> find it with my search engines. I
> think Vygotsky and Luria's
> invention of the lie-detector has
> been mentioned in this connection.
>
> Andy
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