[Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?

[Andy Blunden]

This is what I was looking for:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri12.htm#p1207

It was the exclusion of "psychotechnics" from the 
fundamental problems of psychology which he objected to. On 
the contrary, the philosophy of practice provided all the 
solutions to these problems. "The goal of such a psychology 
is not Shakespeare in concepts, as it was for Dilthey, 
but/*in one word – psychotechnics*/, i.e., a scientific 
theory which would lead to the subordination and mastery of 
the mind, to the artificial control of behaviour."

Thanks all.
Andy

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*Andy Blunden*
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On 15/01/2020 3:09 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
> But psychotechnics was really the Soviet version of human 
> resource management. The idea was to select particular 
> "types" for particular jobs. It wasn't really a Soviet 
> idea--it started in Germany (and in fact, the Nazis were 
> very big on it; the selection ramp at Auschwitz was based 
> on it). In China, there was also quite a bit of emphasis 
> on making sure that people suited the professions chosen 
> for them, as education was a very scarce resource.
>
> Isaac Spielrein--Sabine's brother, who was a colleague of 
> Vygotsky--was a psychotechnician; his essay on the 
> language of the Red Army soldier is written with that 
> perspective in mind. And it was at a psychotechnic 
> conference that Vygotsky was asked if there could be a 
> pedology of adults, to aid in psychotechnic selection.
>
> Vygotsky said no.
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's 
> "Thought and Word" i
> in /Mind Culture and Activity/
> /https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
> /
> Some free e-prints available at:
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>
> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's 
> Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology"
>
> https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:02 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu 
> <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Might you be looking for “psychotechnics” Andy?
>     Mike
>
>     On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:35 PM David Kellogg
>     <dkellogg60@gmail.com <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Andy--
>
>         That really doesn't sound like Vygotsky to me.
>
>         Yes, he refers to art as the "social technique of
>         emotion" (Psychology of Art). Yes, he did
>         experiments on reading "Gentle Breath" to see if
>         Bunin's short story had any affect on breathing
>         rates. But as far as I know he had nothing to do
>         with Luria's work on lie detectors (in The Nature
>         of Human Conflict), and he was even rather
>         skeptical of Luria's work on optical illusions in
>         "uneducated" peoples
>
>         . Remember, this is the guy who denied that a
>         general psychology could ever cut itself off from
>         practice and vice versa (History of the Crisis in
>         Psychology), who rejected the idea that thinking
>         is speech with the sound turned off (Thinking and
>         Speech). Besides, who ever heard of a technology
>         opposed to an epistemology? What would that mean?
>         A hand without a brain?
>
>         Vygotsky sounds more like this: "Neither the hand
>         nor the brain left to itself can do much." Francis
>         Bacon, /Novum Organum/ (1620), Book 1, Aphorism 2.
>
>         David Kellogg
>         Sangmyung University
>
>         New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of
>         Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i
>         in /Mind Culture and Activity/
>         /https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>         /
>         Some free e-prints available at:
>         https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>
>
>
>         On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM Andy Blunden
>         <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>>
>         wrote:
>
>             There's somewhere where Vygotsky talks about
>             psychology as a technology as opposed to (for
>             example) an epistemology. Can anyone point me
>             to where this observation is to be found. I
>             can find it with my search engines. I think
>             Vygotsky and Luria's invention of the
>             lie-detector has been mentioned in this
>             connection.
>
>             Andy
>
>
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