[Xmca-l] Re: "this remarkable list" (Gabosch, 2002)

[Anthony Barra]

Wow, Mike and David thank you very much -

- for the reading material, for the hospitality, for the encouraging words.

And also for that great factoid about Steve and Boeing.

Anthony


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:53 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Is this what you are looking for, Anthony?
> Here is a good translation.
> Seth's article is super helpful in untangling misunderstandings. The
> translation of obuchenie in* Mind in Society*
> as learning is misleading, for reasons explained in the attached article I
> wrote several years ago about the problem.
> (the problem is alive and well in a field called "learning sciences" where
> instruction is a cipher and development
> is not the primary category).
>
> Your set of videos is a great resource.  And your use of the
> xlchc/xmca archives is just what was hoped for when
> we began the practices that have evolved into what one sees today. We have
> not heard from Steve for a long time,
> but he got his PH.D supported by participants in the discussion at this
> time. He is/was an assembly line work at
> Boeing at the time.
>
> Mike
> PS - Now if we could collectively move from pseudoconcepts to few concepts
> and have the wits to know the difference
> it would be great!!  :-)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 8:50 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> In a search for an article cited in S. Chaiklin's great "The zone of
>> proximal development in Vygotsky’s analysis of learning and instruction"
>> (2003), I stumbled upon a post that I believe many here will enjoy
>> re-reading:
>> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/xmcamail.2002_11.dir/0156.html
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> P.S.  Here is the article I was searching for (in case anyone can help):
>>
>>    - Vygotsky, L. S. (1935a). Dinamika umstvennogo razvitiza shkol’nika
>>    v svjazi s obucheniem. In Umstvennoie razvitie detei v protsesse obuchenia
>>    (pp. 33-52). Moscow/Leningrad: Gosudarstvennoie Uchebno-pedagogicheskoie
>>    Izdatel’stvo.
>>
>> And the reference, in context:
>>
>>> "In one article, which as far as I know is neither translated nor
>>> readily available, Vygotsky (1935a) describes a set of experiments in which
>>> children are tested and identified to have a high or low IQ as well as a
>>> large or small zone (as determined by the kind of procedure described in
>>> the previous paragraph). Subsequent school success is determined, and it
>>> appears that the size of the zone of proximal development was more
>>> predictive than IQ. That is, children with a larger zone of proximal
>>> development (i.e., more maturing functions are currently available) had
>>> comparable intellectual development, regardless of IQ. Similarly, children
>>> with a smaller zone of proximal development had a comparable intellectual
>>> development, regardless of the initially measured IQ. In other words, the
>>> zone of proximal development gave a better indication for
>>> predicting/understanding future intellectual development than a measure of
>>> independent performance, where the explanation is that the greater number
>>> of maturing functions gives a child better opportunities to benefit from
>>> school instruction. A detailed summary of this article is found in van der
>>> Veer and Valsiner (1991, pp. 336-341)." (Chaiklin, 2003, p. 12-13).
>>>
>>
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