[Xmca-l] Re: Synoptic Gospel

[Annalisa Aguilar]

Hello,

Of course if David is going to bring in the kitchen sink, christ and the nude I've got to be seeing what comes of this thread.

Hopefully no one gets crucified in time! ??

I am wondering if it is *time* or *change* that is embedded?

Chronology is more a linkage of "this event happens before that," and then "this one happened after that," it can be linear, but also multi-threaded. Sort of like a Rube Goldberg contraption. (See: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rubegoldberg.com/__;!!Mih3wA!RUYhim3dX3nAgYj-o-Vn-2ppCV16cud4hwN94Je3pBDuDFclU2s0tkDnuEsZs3FQ1fKf3g$  to invent a better mousetrap to water a plant!)

On the other hand, change is the difference between one state and the next. Would time be the span of change as it transforms from one state to the next?

What I recall of Piaget is that he considered development to be very stair-stepped: one plateau for a period until the next change abruptly lifted to the next step which then plateaus and so on.

Is it fair to say that Vygotsky argued this way to measure cannot work given the complexity of variables at work, not just in the individual, but also in the environment.  Does that mean that time starts to become un-measurable, because each individual is going to have a different way to mark time, a la zoped?

The environment is not time-dependent, unless we are going to start marking time like astrologers and divide the globe into longitudes and latitudes to determine the force of energy (and change) for each globe's section. How do we mark time in the environment compared to time for the individual?

Just seems very wacky enough to make my head hurt.

Where is the reference point? you know, by which one measures the change one is seeking to measure?

Kind regards,

Annalisa




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Oh, I think "category error" is another name for Hallidayan complementarity, Mike.

Let me put it another way. Another name for the synoptic understanding of a crisis is "contradiction". Or, if you prefer, another name for the dynamic understanding of contradiction is "crisis".

(Is that two other ways, or is a pair of ways?)

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:28 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu<mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
So time needs to be part of a unity for studying cultural/historical processes, David?
Or am I making a category error?

mike

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:26 PM David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com<mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have been reading Andy's article for the CHARR group, but I have also been working on a new volume of the pedology, and, finally, retranslating Vygotsky's unfinished "Teaching on the Emotions". What all these texts have in common is that they require you to think about units of analysis as simultaneously timeless and time-embedded: on the one hand, the life of Christ ordered by chronologic time and on the other, the "synoptic" Gospels which order the various events of the life of Christ in many different ways according to their anagogic value.

These two complementary perspectives, the chronological and the synoptic, are ever present in Halliday: an expression like "the living of life" is not redundant because the first nominal is  implicitly chronological process and the second implicitly synoptic product. They are less obviously marked in Vygotsky, but they are there. In one chapter he excoriates Busemann for mixing up the Crisis at Three with the Crisis at Seven, but in the next chapter he offers three possible "units" of analysis. They are the same ones Andy cites:


a. word value in in the explanation of the relation between thinking and speech,


b. age periods in the study of psycho-physiological development, and finally,


c. perezhivanie, or переживание,  in the study of the child’s relationship with the environment.


I think you can see that ALL of these not only CAN but MUST be viewed chronologically, else we cannot say how word value develops, how an age period progresses (let alone how one differs from another) or how the personality goes from functioning to dysfunctional to functioning on some higher level. But at the same time, you can also see how it's teleological to talk about the word value, or the age period, or the perezhivanie in the moment before the word value, age period, or perezhivanie has even started to exist. So the process itself is always chronological, but the process of analysis itself has to be synoptic.


Mozart, they say, composed synoptically: with a single piece of music in his head that he could scroll over, back and forth; Beethoven, on the other hand, is all about getting from commencement to cataclysm, in more or less that order.  When I was at art school, we would hire the same model for painting and for sculpture. We painters would do the model as a text: every narrative painting and even every portrait has to have a beginning, a middle, and an endpoint and the painter's eye directs the brush to direct the viewer's eye to follow it. But the sculptors,infuriatingly,had no starting point, no middle point, and no endpoint at all: it was just a matter of more or less finishing at every point. The models would complain that dozed off when the painters sat there reading them over, but they would complain that they got dizzy when the sculptors were circumambulating the studio all the time.


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