[Xmca-l] Re: V. V. Davydov’s mathematics curriculum

[Edward Wall]

All

     I’m taking this off list assuming that there is not all that much interest. Let me know otherwise.

Ed

Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is.

> On Oct 6, 2019, at  3:36 PM, Baloncuk Tr <aysekan@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks so much for the ideas on the project, Ed.
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> I began to think that the project will be more difficult than I thought. I think I need a math teacher who knows the mathematical theories very well. But it is very difficult to find such a teacher. Math teachers take math and education courses at the same time in Turkey. They may not know the theories of the discipline they teach very well because of the education they get in university. Knowing the recent developments in the field you teach is very important for developmental teaching. As all you know, quality of the content (scientific vs. everyday concepts) is important in developmental teaching.  
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> Ed, what you said about the abandonment of Davydov’s curriculum because of the teachers made me think about the “New Math” curriculum movement in the USA. In articles and books about history of math education I read that After Russia launched the Sputnik 1, American public experienced a period of fear and anxiety about technological gap between the USA and Soviet Union. In order to boost the science education, a group of American mathematics professors prepared a new curriculum based on Bourbaki’s extremely abstract and formal mathematical theory. At first public welcomed the change. After a while, parents, teachers, policy makers opposed the change because the new curriculum was too far outside of students' ordinary experience. In the end, the curriculum was abandoned. By the way, Davydov too used Bourbaki’s mathematical theory to design his curriculum.  
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> Ayşe Tokaç
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> Edward Wall <ewall@umich.edu <mailto:ewall@umich.edu>>, 6 Eki 2019 Paz, 00:33 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>     Sorry as I saw this but was short of time. I recommend you take careful note of what Huw says about ‘instruction.’ 
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>      Anyway, most of the attempts re the Davydov ‘curriculum’ in the US that I knew about have been abandoned because, it seems, ‘qualified’ teachers were not readily available (and, in my opinion, that is very unlikely to change). Perhaps the most substantial attempt in recent times was at the University of Hawaii; there still may be some mention and a text was ‘promised', but I have never been able find out much and I have tried several times. 
>     That said, there are elementary curricula/instruction - and I only mention this as an aside - that attempt to do substantial mathematics in a somewhat dialogic manner; NYC, Ann Arbor, and the Netherlands are sites. The difficult problem is that while one might argue - I don’t argue so - that we have a theory of learning re mathematics,  we don’t really have, and this is an opinion, a robust one - there are some reasonable ones, but they are anemic - about teaching or more importantly about studying (the intersection of teaching and learning) mathematics. 
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>       There are English translations of articles published here and there by Davydov and collaborators about, I assume the thoughts behind the curricula, the curriculum; e.g. 'The Object Source of the Concept of Fractions.' I think I even have a paper somewhere where Davydov explains some of the details of the curricular sequence. As regards instruction, I would assume Galina Zuckerman would be the person to contact and I suspect Anna Marjanovic-Shane would have useful things to say. Peg Griffin was the first to give me a sketch of classroom interactions (very helpful in my theorizing).
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>       There are several private schools in Russia (or where when I last looked) and, while not touted as the most influential (which means little in the climate around mathematics instruction), there is, at least, one existent that still appears to follow Davydov. 
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>       If you get something off the ground in English and ramp it up in some reasonable manner, there are a lot of mathematical educators who likely would flock to your door :)
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> Ed Wall
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> Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is.
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> > On Oct 4, 2019, at  6:34 AM, Baloncuk Tr <aysekan@gmail.com <mailto:aysekan@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Hi,
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> > Thank you for taking the time and sending me the articles and the books.  They are great for the project because I did not have some of them. What I needed to find was the textbooks for elementary students written by Davydov and his associates. I guess I misworded my request. The citation for the books are:
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> > Davydov, V. V., Gorbov, S. F., Mikulina, G. G., and Saveleva, O. V. (1999). Mathematics: Class 1. Edited by J. Schmittau. Binghamton, NY: State University of New York.
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> > Davydov, V. V., Gorbov, S. F., Mikulina, G. G., and Saveleva, O. V. (2000). Mathematics: Class 2. Edited by J. Schmittau. Binghamton, NY: State University of New York. Davydov, V. V., Gorbov, S. F.,
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> > Mikulina, G. G., Savyelyeva, O. V., and Tabachnikova, N. L. (2001). Mathematics: 3rd Grade. Edited by J. Schmittau. Binghamton, NY: State University of New York.
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> > These are English translations of the original books. I read Galina’s email and I will look at the website she mentioned with a Russian friend from my school. I could not understand anything right now because I don’t speak Russian. I will post you about what I find in the website. Thank you again for your immediate responses. I am happy to be part of this group.
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> > Lots of love from Turkey
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> > Ayşe Tokaç
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> > Selçuk University
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> > Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com <mailto:huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>>, 4 Eki 2019 Cum, 14:24 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
> > A result! Thank you, Galina.
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> > Attached is a coarse google translation of the first doc.
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> > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 11:12, Galina Zuckerman <galina.zuckerman@gmail.com <mailto:galina.zuckerman@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > The publishing house "BINOM" recently published all math textbooks for elementary school children, designed by Davydov and his followers. 
> > http://lbz.ru/books/936/ <http://lbz.ru/books/936/> 
> > You can order the books through this  publishing house.  
> > Manuals for teachers are available free:
> > http://lbz.ru/metodist/authors/elkonin-davydov/6/ <http://lbz.ru/metodist/authors/elkonin-davydov/6/>  
> > Enjoy!
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> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 11:04 PM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com <mailto:huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > There are example fragments in Peter Moxhay's 2008 translation of "Problems of Developmental Instruction". There are example fragments in numerous JREEP papers too, from psychologists practicing developmental instruction (Kharkov school and others).
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> > Although not strictly part of a course "content', the core of this material is the completely different approach to "instruction" ("instruction" is perhaps a poor choice of label, given its connotations). In that respect, if one tried to transplant merely the curriculum to a conventional approach, it would be clear that one was not achieving developmental instruction. Hence, being able to work out an appropriate curriculum might be considered a minimum qualification for delivering it.
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> > A while back, Galina Zuckerman (cc'd), contributed a few emails pertaining to her work, which might be considered as continuing to carry the flag for Davydov's approach. My impression was that she had made advances on the dialogic side of things with respect to dynamics of engagement.
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> > Best,
> > Huw
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> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 16:58, Baloncuk Tr <aysekan@gmail.com <mailto:aysekan@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Dear all,
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> > I am a lecturer at Selcuk University in Turkey. I am focused now on a curriculum project on math’s education in primary grades. I would appreciate it if you can tell me how to find V. V. Davydov’s mathematics curriculum and math books in English or Russian.
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> > Thanks, and I hope to hear from you.
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> > Ayse Tokac
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> > Selcuk University
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