[Xmca-l] Re: Research on refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate Peripheral Participation?

[Andy Blunden]

Yes, of course. This does no contradict the point I am 
making at all. Just an elaboration of it.

andy

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*Andy Blunden*
https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 28/06/2019 12:01 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> "If, for example, the apprentice already had the skills 
> and tools required for the relevant practice then they 
> would* not *need an apprenticeship and would not be 
> vulnerable to exploitation."
>
> Those forms of exploitation come via the necessity 
> credentials, certification, probationary periods etc. Of 
> course, if one genuinely has the skill, then one may find 
> (the rare) employers who are able to recognise it. There 
> are mobility issues to being stupefied through 
> indoctrination, just as there are mobility issues to 
> declining it. :)
>
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Andy Blunden 
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
>     Oops. typos ... fixed
>
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>     *Andy Blunden*
>     https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>     On 27/06/2019 11:35 pm, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>
>>     Alfredo, I think it is precisely by participation in
>>     a common activity (or project or community of
>>     practice) that oppression takes place. The apprentice
>>     voluntarily submits themself to the activity and the
>>     division of labour, roles, etc., inherent in it. The
>>     master necessarily has power over the apprentice, and
>>     active attention is required to avoid exploitation
>>     and oppression to avoid the master exploiting the
>>     apprentice in the process of inducting them into the
>>     practice.
>>
>>     If, for example, the apprentice already had the
>>     skills and tools required for the relevant practice
>>     then they would*not *need an apprenticeship and would
>>     not be vulnerable to exploitation.
>>
>>     Although exploitation and oppression probably does
>>     occur when the master does not have anything that the
>>     apprentice needs, but I think that is exceptional.
>>
>>     Andy
>>
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>>     *Andy Blunden*
>>     https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>     On 27/06/2019 9:18 pm, Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote:
>>>
>>>     Just to add, that the problem I'd like to learn more
>>>     about is, how does a framework that takes
>>>     apprenticeship and community as starting point help
>>>     when the object of research is one that concerns
>>>     oppression and dehumanisation?
>>>
>>>
>>>     Alfredo
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>     *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>     <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>     <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>     <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf
>>>     of Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>
>>>     <mailto:a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>
>>>     *Sent:* 27 June 2019 02:37
>>>     *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>     *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Research on
>>>     refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate
>>>     Peripheral Participation?
>>>
>>>     I cannot help with this, Greg, since I don't know of
>>>     work specifically connecting the two. But if your
>>>     student gets to write about that, I'd be very
>>>     interested in reading her/his work.
>>>
>>>
>>>     A few days ago, I was listening Amy Goodman's
>>>     interview with a lawyer who visited
>>>     children detention centres in the US border. I
>>>     literally cried as I was commuting to work listening
>>>     to the horrendous inhumanity being described.
>>>
>>>
>>>     (Interview here:)
>>>     https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2019/6/24
>>>
>>>
>>>     Now, reading your question, I wondered, what is
>>>     "legitimate participation" for a child in a
>>>     detention center? What is the center and what the
>>>     periphery in such a context? And for a
>>>     Syrian refugee in a shelter in Turkey? Is there
>>>     anything like a community of practice that belongs
>>>     to being a refugee or immigrant?
>>>
>>>
>>>     Not that I am sceptical about or questioning the
>>>     relevance of the approach to the issue. Just that I
>>>     don't know how, would like to know.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Best,​
>>>
>>>     Alfredo
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>     *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>     <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>     <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>     <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf
>>>     of Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>>>     <mailto:greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>>>     *Sent:* 26 June 2019 18:23
>>>     *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>     *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Research on
>>>     refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate
>>>     Peripheral Participation?
>>>     Just wondering if anyone out there could point me to
>>>     research on refugees/immigrants/migrants and
>>>     Legitimate Peripheral Participation (or otherwise
>>>     connect the former with Lave and Wenger's
>>>     communities of practice)?
>>>
>>>     (this is for a student of mine)
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>     Greg
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>     Assistant Professor
>>>     Department of Anthropology
>>>     880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>     Brigham Young University
>>>     Provo, UT 84602
>>>     WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
>>>     <http://greg.a.thompson.byu.edu>
>>>     http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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