[Xmca-l] Re: FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et al.

[Huw Lloyd]

David,

One of your difficulties, perhaps, is going to be presenting an agreed upon
or standard CHAT.  E.g. I doubt it is commonly recognised that the crises
implicate different ontological bases to "shared" experience, i.e. that so
called shared experience may actually be profoundly different, despite an
illusion of identity, even assuming an approximately agreed upon intention.
If you assert principles of AT or LSV, then you are on clearer ground. Then
there is the role of agency in transformations of understanding, which
again proponents of "dialogically shared experience" have shied away from,
labelling it "rational" etc.

>From the language used for TTOM, there doesn't appear to be a categorical
difference with respect to "crises vs incremental change". In the language
used, it seems probable that a "step function" is implicated in behavioural
change.

I think one can quite adequately express that there are many ways of
learning about the world and making inferences about it. Bayesian models
might model well certain kinds of inferences, but it seem unlikely to be
universal. This issue pertains to whether claims are being made about he
structure of knowing or whether one is simply making claims about the
general shape of the outcomes.

Probably more can be achieved by addressing the assumptions about attention
and intention. There is no hand waving hear in AT or LSV, but rather
treating these as fundamental mediatory principles which help to structure
the forms of inference through signs.

No doubt a thorough analysis would be a clarifying exercise, and probably
help reveal the pedigree of AT/LSV.

Best,
Huw

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 19:36, David H Kirshner <dkirsh@lsu.edu> wrote:

> The forthcoming BBS article presents a theory of acquisition of culture
> based around our capacity for “Thinking through Other Minds” (TTOM).
>
> This is not a simplistic Theory of Mind (TOM) perspective that attributes
> strong inferential prowess to the individual agent to figure out the
> propositional contents of another’s mind. Rather we come to perceive things
> through the same lens as other members of our culture: “The main role of
> others in this kind of social learning is to direct attention rather than
> to convey specific semantic content (Tomasello 2014). In effect, social
> learning involves immersion in local contexts through what we call regimes
> of attention and imitation that direct human agents to engage
> differentially in forms of shared intentionality. We have argued that such *regimes
> of attention* play a central role in the enculturation of human agents
> (Ramstead, Veissière, and Kirmayer 2016). Indeed, human beings seem
> particularly specialized for such forms of social learning (Sterelny 2012)”
> (p. 23).
>
>
>
> The theory is based on the Variational Free-Energy Principle (FEP) which I
> take to be at odds with sociocultural perspectives because its processes
> are incremental, hence without the possibility of crises that mark
> Vygotsky’s viewpoint:
>
>
>
> The generative model functions as a point of reference in a cyclical
> (action-perception) process that allows the organism to engage in active
> inference. Internal states of the agent (e.g., the states of its brain)
> encode a *recognition* density; that is, a probability distribution or
> Bayesian belief about the current state of affairs and contingencies
> causing sensory input. This (posterior) belief is encoded by neuronal
> activity, synaptic efficacy, and connection strength (Friston 2010). The
> mathematical formulation behind the FEP claims that all of these internal
> brain states change in a way to minimise variational free energy. By
> construction, the variational free energy is always greater than a quantity
> known as *surprisal, self-information* or, more simply, *surprise* in
> information theory. This means that minimising free energy minimises
> *surprise*, which can be quantified as the negative logarithm of the
> probability that ‘a creature like me’ would sample ‘these sensations’. (pp.
> 30-31).
>
>
>
> This notion of ‘a creature like me’ plays into the theory in a central
> way. Interestingly, though, the bias toward our own kind is not a primitive
> construct in this system—we’re born with an emotional bond to our kind as a
> reflection of our dependence. Rather, it’s a result of how immersion in our
> home culture plays out in the statistical regularities we encounter: “The
> reliance on social and cultural affordances co-constructed with and
> maintained by other people makes it important for us to distinguish between
> those who think like us and those whose thinking is either systematically
> different from our own or else unfamiliar and, hence, unpredictable – and
> inherently surprising. This distinction marks off domains of in-group and
> out-group, with corresponding epistemic authority. Regimes of attention
> then make the right kinds of social solicitations stand out in context,
> thereby allowing the learning of socially relevant affordances in a given
> cultural niche, community or local world. ” (p. 24).
>
>
>
> The theory accounts for extension of culture, not just reproduction. This
> extensive quality insinuates itself into the theory through an imperative
> for novelty that balances the conservative minimizing of “surprise”
> references above: “The FEP deals with the issue of novelty seeking
> behaviour by formalising action as being in the game of maximising the *epistemic
> value of action* (or epistemic affordance). In essence, free energy
> minimizing agents seek to sample the world in the most efficient way
> possible. Since the information gain (i.e., salience) is the amount of
> uncertainty resolved, it makes good sense for the agent to selectively
> sample regions of environment with high uncertainty, which will yield the
> most informative observations” (p. 39).
>
>
>
> A strength of this theory is that it uses one set of constructs to account
> for ontogenesis as well as for broader time scales of cultural change: “The
> exploitation of regimes of attention – encoded in the niche – is especially
> useful to track regularities unfolding over longer time scales of the
> history of a community, whose variability would be harder to assess over
> the timescale of an individual’s perceptual and procedural learning” (p.
> 42). This can include even “the temporal scale of human cultural
> co-evolution. The 7R variant of the DRD4 gene (which encodes the D4 subtype
> of the dopamine receptor) appears to have become more widespread 50,000
> years ago at a time of great migrations and a revolution in hunting
> technology among early Homo Sapiens” (p. 40).
>
>
>
> What’s more, the theory is specified to the level of representation in
> computational theory, and a level that is empirically testable: We have
> designed TTOM as a guide for the production of *testable models* in
> related domains. While TTOM per se would be difficult to test (due to its
> generality), one can derive specific, integrative models from TTOM to study
> specific forms of socio-cultural dynamics” (p. 60).
>
>
>
> A crucial difference between TTOM and sociocultural theory is that while
> TTOM represents culture, it doesn’t directly represent social engagement.
> Crisis in Vygotsky’s work is enabled and resolved through mutual
> appropriation as it plays out the level of individual engagement in social
> processes. One might object to TTOM (or any other computationally realized
> theory?) on ethical grounds, as dehumanizing. But beyond ideology it must
> be disturbing to XMCAers that sociocultural theory perspectives are not
> figured into an extensive theoretical treatment of acquisition of culture.
> BBS’s system of published commentaries provides for a possible corrective.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *David H Kirshner
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 PM
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] RE: Re: FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals:
> Veissière et al.
>
>
>
> I've now read the 17-page introduction which outlines the theory,
> “Thinking through Other Minds” (TTOM).
>
> They describe "*selective patterning of salience and attention* as the
> main process behind enculturation, which in turn enables the engagement of
> human agents with the sets of possible actions (or cultural affordances)
> that make up their local world" (p. 15).
>
> This places their work in a line of research based on cognitive psychology
> and cognitive neuroscience (though it is worth pointing out that the
> authors are not pursuing a cognitivist explanation based on the Theory
> Theory position that we build up explicit hypotheses about the declarative
> content of other's minds).
>
> Their approach seems to stress the ways in which new members of cultural
> community come to coordinate their perceptual apparatus with normative
> patterns of the community--a kind of seamless absorption of neophytes.
>
> This would seem to be in direct contrast to the focus of sociocultural
> theory on periods of crisis that overcome disjunctions between the basic
> focus and orientation of the neophyte to the broader culture.
>
> But I've read far enough to know whether their theory accounts for higher
> mental functions, so it is not clear the extent to which sociocultural
> theory may still prove complementary to the approach outlined in the
> article.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> On Behalf Of PERRET-CLERMONT Anne-Nelly
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:09 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et
> al.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Alfredo.
>
> I remain at the disposal of who would like to work on it.
>
> Anne-Nelly
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
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> De : <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil <
> a.j.gil@ils.uio.no> Répondre à : "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
> xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> Date : jeudi, 20 juin 2019 à 14:55 À : "eXtended
> Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> Objet : [Xmca-l] Re:
> FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et al.
>
>
>
> >Certainly, Anne-Nelly, the work you just shared would be relevant for
>
> >that commentary, Alfredo
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> >________________________________________
>
> >From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>
> >on behalf of PERRET-CLERMONT Anne-Nelly
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> ><Anne-Nelly.Perret-Clermont@unine.ch>
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> >Sent: 20 June 2019 11:53
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> >To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
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> >Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière
>
> >et al.
>
> >
>
> >It would be great to have someone from XMCA who would comment and
>
> >enrich this debate (on these days I am not available to do it).
>
> >The underlying model in this upcoming article seems to rely mostly on
>
> >conformity, monological approaches, etc. In the paper (attached here)
>
> >we offer a completely different approach, much more inspired by
>
> >dialogism, cultural historical theory, and a serious account of the
>
> >activity that the child indulges in when answering.
>
> >Hoping to read you on these issues.
>
> >
>
> >Anne-Nelly
>
> >
>
> >Prof. emer. Anne-Nelly Perret-Clermont
>
> >Institut de psychologie et éducation
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> >Faculté des lettres et sciences humaines Université de Neuchâtel
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> >Espace Tilo-Frey 1   CH 2000 Neuchâtel (Switzerland)
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> >-----Message d'origine-----
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> >De : <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of David H Kirshner
>
> ><dkirsh@lsu.edu> Répondre à : "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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> ><xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> Date : jeudi, 20 juin 2019 à 11:35 À :
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> >"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> Objet :
>
> >[Xmca-l]  FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et al.
>
> >
>
> >>I'm reading through this upcoming article in BBS which takes as its
>
> >>primary problem, acquisition of culture.
>
> >>BBS solicits commentaries on each article, and these are reviewed and
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> >>then published along with it.
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> >>As there is not a single reference to Vygotsky or cultural historical
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> >>theory in the article, I thought someone on XMCA might want to submit
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> >>a commentary.
>
> >>David
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> >>Subject: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et al.
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> >>Abstract: The processes underwriting the acquisition of culture remain
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> >>maintained with precision and reliability across large-scale
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> >>sociocultural ensembles? Is there a unifying account of the mechanisms
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> >>involved in the acquisition of culture? Notions such as 'shared
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> >>'cultural evolution', 'cultural inheritance', and 'implicit learning'
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> >>are the main candidates to underpin a unifying account of cognition
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> >>greater specification and clarification. In this paper, we integrate
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> >>cognition and culture in theoretical neuroscience. We describe the
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> >>construction by humans of social niches that afford epistemic
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> >>resources called cultural affordances. We argue that human agents
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> >>learn the shared habits, norms, and expectations of their culture
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> >>through immersive participation in patterned cultural practices that
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> >>selectively pattern attention and behaviour. We call this process
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> >>"Thinking through Other Minds" (TTOM) - in effect, the process of
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> >>expectations about the world and how to behave in social context. We
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> >>argue that for humans, information from and about other people's
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> >>expectations constitutes the primary domain of statistical
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> >>regularities that humans leverage to predict and organize behaviour.
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> >>The integrative model we offer has implications that can advance
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> >>theories of cognition, enculturation, adaptation, and psychopathology.
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> >>Crucially, this formal
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> >>(variational) treatment seeks to resolve key debates in current
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> >>cognitive science, such as the distinction between internalist and
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> >>externalist accounts of Theory of Mind abilities and the more
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> >>Keywords: Cognition and culture; Variational free energy principle;
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