[Xmca-l] RE: Re: FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et al.
David H Kirshner
dkirsh@lsu.edu
Thu Jun 20 20:01:45 PDT 2019
I've now read the 17-page introduction which outlines the theory, “Thinking through Other Minds” (TTOM).
They describe "selective patterning of salience and attention as the main process behind enculturation, which in turn enables the engagement of human agents with the sets of possible actions (or cultural affordances) that make up their local world" (p. 15).
This places their work in a line of research based on cognitive psychology and cognitive neuroscience (though it is worth pointing out that the authors are not pursuing a cognitivist explanation based on the Theory Theory position that we build up explicit hypotheses about the declarative content of other's minds).
Their approach seems to stress the ways in which new members of cultural community come to coordinate their perceptual apparatus with normative patterns of the community--a kind of seamless absorption of neophytes.
This would seem to be in direct contrast to the focus of sociocultural theory on periods of crisis that overcome disjunctions between the basic focus and orientation of the neophyte to the broader culture.
But I've read far enough to know whether their theory accounts for higher mental functions, so it is not clear the extent to which sociocultural theory may still prove complementary to the approach outlined in the article.
David
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Thanks, Alfredo.
I remain at the disposal of who would like to work on it.
Anne-Nelly
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De : <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no<mailto:a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>> Répondre à : "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>> Date : jeudi, 20 juin 2019 à 14:55 À : "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>> Objet : [Xmca-l] Re: FW: BBS Call for Commentary Proposals: Veissière et al.
>Certainly, Anne-Nelly, the work you just shared would be relevant for
>that commentary, Alfredo
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>on behalf of PERRET-CLERMONT Anne-Nelly
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>It would be great to have someone from XMCA who would comment and
>enrich this debate (on these days I am not available to do it).
>The underlying model in this upcoming article seems to rely mostly on
>conformity, monological approaches, etc. In the paper (attached here)
>we offer a completely different approach, much more inspired by
>dialogism, cultural historical theory, and a serious account of the
>activity that the child indulges in when answering.
>Hoping to read you on these issues.
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>Anne-Nelly
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>Prof. emer. Anne-Nelly Perret-Clermont
>Institut de psychologie et éducation
>Faculté des lettres et sciences humaines Université de Neuchâtel
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><dkirsh@lsu.edu<mailto:dkirsh@lsu.edu>> Répondre à : "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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>>I'm reading through this upcoming article in BBS which takes as its
>>primary problem, acquisition of culture.
>>BBS solicits commentaries on each article, and these are reviewed and
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>>As there is not a single reference to Vygotsky or cultural historical
>>theory in the article, I thought someone on XMCA might want to submit
>>a commentary.
>>David
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>>Abstract: The processes underwriting the acquisition of culture remain
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>>involved in the acquisition of culture? Notions such as 'shared
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