[Xmca-l] Re: History of Explicit and Implicit Knowledge

[Huw Lloyd]

sure

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 12:26, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you all, excatly what I am looking for. This idea of applying
> implicit and explicit knowledge to D, P, and C makes total sense.
>
> I will be rejecting much as well but it is the langauge of my audience so
> I wanted to grasp the origin.
>
> I am also trying to track how my ideas get captured and transformed here:
> https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/14/using-my-commonplace-book-to-write-an-article
>
> With your permission I would like to quote your emails in the same post.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:40 AM David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Keith Johnson, one of the professors on my MA at University of Essex,used
>> the distinction between implicit and explicit on the one hand, and the J.R.
>> Anderson model of DECPRO, PRODEC on the other. He didn't say anything about
>> conditional knowledge, but from Anderson I gather it's something to do with
>> the passive reception/active production distinction (that we Halllidayans
>> reject).
>>
>> I never heard him use both of them together, in a matrix, so that there
>> was implicit and explicit declarative knowledge, implicit and explicit
>> procedural knowledge, and implicit and explicit conditional knowledge. But
>> Keith was very GRAMMATICAL. It seems to me that if you apply it to
>> PHONOLOGY, there isn't any reason we can't talk about implicit and explicit
>> declarative knowledge (knowing THAT a sound is a /d/ and not a /t/
>> implicitly and being able to express that idea in phonological terms)
>> and it is also possible to talk about implicit and explicit procedural
>> knowledge (knowing HOW to distinguish them without thinking about it, and
>> knowing HOW they are distinguished by the movements of the articulators). I
>> don't see any reason in principle why you couldn't do the same thing with
>> conditional knowledge either, although I'm not really sure that all these
>> distinctions are relevant to teaching.
>>
>> All of this, and a lot more, in his 19i96 book Skill Learning and
>> Language Teaching (Blackwell).
>>
>> David Kellogg
>> Sangmyung University
>>
>> New Article:
>> Han Hee Jeung & David Kellogg (2019): A story without SELF: Vygotsky’s
>> pedology, Bruner’s constructivism and Halliday’s construalism in
>> understanding narratives by
>> Korean children, Language and Education, DOI:
>> 10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>> To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>>
>> Some e-prints available at:
>>
>> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/KHRxrQ4n45t9N2ZHZhQK/full?target=10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>>
>> All of this is in his 1996 book Skill Learning and Language Teaching
>> (Blackwell).
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:50 AM Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am carrying on my quest to rethink cognitive apprenticeships into
>>> agentive apprenticeships for my work around innovation systems:
>>> https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/07/my-fork-of-synea-into-a-saint
>>>
>>> Agentive apprenticeships defer more in centering the agency and choice
>>> in the learner in a network of shared interest where the space and tools
>>> teach much as any person.
>>>
>>> You may recall I originally asked for ideas around knowledge brokering
>>> as it did not sit well with me. I decided to go with Knowledge Knitting as
>>> my metaphor. It is used frequently in the OER Community and amongst under
>>> represented scholars and if I can get the pictures out of my head and into
>>> words it will make sense.
>>>
>>> But I am trying to chase down when the distinction between explicit and
>>> implicit knowledge began. It weaves through all apprenticeship research up
>>> through and including Gee's work on Affinity Spaces.
>>>
>>> I am more trained in the cognitive narrative that dominates reading
>>> instruction today of declarative, procedural, and conditional knowledge.
>>>
>>> Two questions:
>>> -When did the distinction between implicit and explicit knowledge begin?
>>> -Are you aware of works that describe knowing in both implicit and
>>> explicit and in declarative, procedural, and conditional knowledge.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Gregory McVerry, PhD
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> Southern Connecticut State University
>>> twitter: jgmac1106
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> J. Gregory McVerry, PhD
> Assistant Professor
> Southern Connecticut State University
> twitter: jgmac1106
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