[Xmca-l] Re: Do we find Inequalities in wild life system?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Tue Jan 29 04:36:35 PST 2019
So long as we set out from subject on one side and object on
the other, putting them together is a hopeless task,
complementary or not. Subjectivity and objectivity are
abstractions from a shared social life.
Andy
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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 29/01/2019 9:50 pm, James Ma wrote:
>
> Well said, Andy!
>
> Perhaps the complementarity of subjectivity and
> objectivity should be likened to be a linchpin around
> which the theory of knowledge revolves. Given
> consciousness exists beyond time and space, it is
> insusceptible of empirical experiments - which results in
> subjectivism as a defining feature of social research. To
> acknowledge subjectivity encapsulates the notion of how it
> comes to affect objectivity, with the latter rendering the
> researcher a passive recipient of stimuli encountered in
> the environment. Being objective requires an immediate
> awareness of the subjectivity of one’s own mind. It would
> be simplistic to think that social research can be
> conducted without recognition of its subjective,
> self-evident nature. What is evident to one individual is
> not necessarily to another. The subjectivity of mind can
> always cast a shadow over objective endeavours or ways of
> being objective in doing the research.
>
> James
>
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 00:19, Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
> Mmm, "subjective" is a polysemous word, Huw. It is not
> a matter of precision but of relativity. "Inequality"
> is a famously contested concept, as is "injustice,"
> but its contestation is necessarily in a social
> context and with social content. Justice and equality
> are given objective form in law and social policy in
> definite, really-existing states or organisations
> challenging for state power, not the opinion of
> individuals.
>
> andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 29/01/2019 1:50 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>> It isn't "subjective", Andy. Rather it is limited to
>> a certain construal. One can be quite precise and
>> objective about that construal.
>>
>> Huw
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 14:14, Andy Blunden
>> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I can't agree that with your suggestion, Huw,
>> that inequality (in the meaning with which
>> Harshad used it) is something subjective, in the
>> eye of the beholder. Such a view would be very
>> pernicious politically. The fact is that states
>> have emerged and developed over many centuries so
>> as to makes objective certain concepts of
>> justice, among which are various qualified and
>> nuances notions of equality. This is not figment
>> of my imagination.
>>
>> andy
>>
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>> Andy Blunden
>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>> On 29/01/2019 12:59 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>>> We find "wild life" systems that are imbalanced
>>> and subject to radical changes.
>>>
>>> Inequality is a perceptual/cognitive construct
>>> and predicated on an ontological scope. We find
>>> the condition of inequality (or comparison) in
>>> our thinking and behaviour. Every living thing
>>> "finds" inequalities. We do not find inequality,
>>> we find the awareness of inequality.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 08:17, James Ma
>>> <jamesma320@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jamesma320@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Should you find inequality within a wildlife
>>> system, that must be a political,
>>> ideological precept!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 07:56, James Ma
>>> <jamesma320@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jamesma320@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not only is it meaningless but also
>>> preposterous. To maintain that all
>>> members of the same species are equal,
>>> as Anne Moir and David Jessel put it, is
>>> to "build a society based on a
>>> biological and scientific lie".
>>> James
>>> PS: I'm apolitical - anything political,
>>> ideological just doesn't speak to me!
>>>
>>> */_______________________________________________________/*
>>>
>>> /*James Ma *Independent Scholar
>>> //https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa
>>> /
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 05:27, Andy
>>> Blunden <andyb@marxists.org
>>> <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Harshad,
>>>
>>> "Inequality" is a meaningless
>>> concept when referred to Nature.
>>> Likewise "Injustice."
>>>
>>> Justice and equality are relevant
>>> only to the extent that the subjects
>>> are living in an 'artificial' world,
>>> out of Nature. Natural disasters and
>>> the plenitude of Nature have these
>>> dimensions only to the extent they
>>> are imposed on or made available to
>>> different classes of people by the
>>> social system.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
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>>> Andy Blunden
>>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2019 4:00 pm, Harshad Dave
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on one article. I want
>>>> to know your views on following query.
>>>>
>>>> "Do we find Inequalities exists in
>>>> wild life system?"
>>>>
>>>> Your views will help me in my work.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Harshad Dave
>>>> Email: hhdave15@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:hhdave15@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
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