[Xmca-l] Re: Intrinsic / Extrinsic Motivation

[Goncu, Artin]

Hi all, I had trouble with this distinction for a long time and published an article with Jennifer Vadebonceour discussing difficulties maintaining it (from a sociocultural point of view) in understanding motivation for play.  The reference is below:
Expanding the definitional criteria for imaginative play: Contributions of sociocultural perspectives
Artin Göncü, Jennifer A Vadeboncoeur
Learning & behavior 45 (4), 422-431, 2017

Best, ag

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On Aug 25, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org<mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:


For some reason which I have never understood many CHAT people seem to be set against this distinction. And yet the distinction is intrinsic to A N Leontyev's Activity Theory. In addition, Alasdair MacIntyre uses it to, in my opinion to great effect, such that I cannot imagine a theory of motivation that lacked this distinction.

What is the problem?

Andy

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On 25/08/2019 1:00 pm, David H Kirshner wrote:
I’m reading a behaviorally oriented account of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation by authoritative authors Ryan and Deci (2000):
“The most basic distinction is between intrinsic motivation, which refers to doing something because it is inherently interesting or enjoyable, and extrinsic motivation, which refers to doing something because it leads to a separable outcome [one undertaken for instrumental reasons]” (p. 55).

This seems to me an impoverished account for a variety of reasons, most pressingly because it attempts to naturalize what is pleasurable or intrinsically motivating as inherent to the organism, without respect to individuals as people, engaged in socioculturally constituted life histories.

Does the construct of intrinsic / extrinsic motivation surface anywhere in sociocultural theory?
Alternatively, can anyone point me toward a sociocultural critique of the intrinsic / extrinsic construct?

David

Ryan R. M., & Deci E. L. (2000). Intrinsic and extrinsic motivations: Classic definitions and new directions. Contemporary Educational Psychology, 25, 54–67. https://doi.org/10.1006/ceps.1999.1020


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