[Xmca-l] Re: Trying to frame studies of the web through perezhivanie

[Greg Mcverry]

Huw,

I  submitted in a much larger 1.4 federal million dollar grant to look at
the production of fake news as a way to combat fake news.:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OrwDAzNPIn1DbJyUxbvyqVciYZUAgjO7dstQ7FmiGQQ/edit?usp=sharing

I won't hear about the denial for months but I agree it is an interesting
approach.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:59 AM Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you all,
>
> You are getting at the theoretical sturggle I am having with describing
> the web. It is both artefact and experience. My website and feed are just
> as much a part of my funds of identity and a shaping of who I am than any
> other experiencing I may do,
>
> I will look at a Deweyian lens for the study. I don;'t think it would
> shift my theoretical or operational approaches too much at all.
>
> This discussion between analog and digital is fascinating. I struggle to
> point out how there is a false dichotomy between online and offline and the
> analog and digital split is becoming defined in pop culture as offline or
> online. I believe in terms of identity development the distinction doesn't
> work. Plus I hate writing "meat space" or "irl" (in real life).
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:48 AM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Greg and Andy,
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if, based on what Andy has said, is might be more worthwhile to
>> focus on the Web as (Dewey’s ideas on) experience rather than perezhivaniye.
>> I don’t really have a good grasp on perezhivaniye, can’t even really spell
>> it.  But if you used Dewey’s ideas on experience the Web  becomes both
>> artefact and event in our actions.  Dewey makes the argument multiple times
>> I think that we cannot really know our tools outside of our experience in
>> using them, and that in attempting to separate them we are diminishing the
>> meaning of both in our lives. So I think experience actually would be a
>> good way to describe what you are trying to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, also another take on analog and digital.  There was a battle between
>> digital and analogous in computing but my own reading of the history is
>> that had more to do with how we treated how computers processed information
>> and solved problems.  I believe the crux of the battle was a bit earlier
>> than the 1960s.  Actually Vannevar Bush who some (me included) consider the
>> father of both the Internet and the Web (well maybe a more distant father
>> but the actual name web is based on one of his ideas I think, web of
>> trails) was working on the idea of an analogous computer in the late
>> forties. I am sure others were as well.  The difference as I understand it
>> is whether we wanted to treat the processing of information as analogous
>> (sort of a linear logic) where one piece of information built off another
>> piece working towards an answer or whether we wanted to treat information
>> as a series of yes no questions leading to a solution (digital referring to
>> the use of 0 and one as yes and no, although I always mix that up.  Digital
>> became dominant for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is because it
>> is more precise and efficient but it is also far more limited.  I often
>> wonder what would have happened if we had followed Bush’s intuition). There
>> are analog and digital circuits of course, but at least in the early
>> history of the computer I don’t believe that was the primary discussion in
>> the use of these terms. Of course that’s just my reading.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> *On Behalf Of *Andy Blunden
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 9:46 PM
>> *To:* xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Trying to frame studies of the web through
>> perezhivanie
>>
>>
>>
>> A few comments Greg.
>>
>> It seems to me that the web (i.w., www, yes?) is an *artefact *not
>> events; each unit is a trace of perezhivaniya not a perezhivaniye as such;
>> it is important not to conflate events and artefacts; just as an historian
>> has to know that what they see are traces of real events, not the events as
>> such. What you do with that evidence is something again.
>>
>> Just by-the-by, "analog" does not mean "original" or "real"; it means the
>> opposite of reality. The terms "digital" and "analog" originate from the
>> 1960s when there were two types of computer. Analog computers emulate
>> natural processes by representing natural processes in analogous electronic
>> circuits based on the calculus. In the end digital computers won an almost
>> complete victory, but for example, if I'm not mistaken, the bionic ear uses
>> analog computing to achieve real-time coding of speech, or at least it did
>> when I knew it in the 1980s.
>>
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Andy Blunden
>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>
>> On 22/09/2018 12:57 AM, Greg Mcverry wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been spending time this summer reading up on the concept of
>> perezhivanie after our article discussion on identify of funds.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wanted to share a draft of my theoretical perspectie for feedback.
>> Granted due to word count it will probably be reduced to a paragraph or two
>> with drive by citations but I am trying to think this through to inform my
>> design.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://checkoutmydomain.glitch.me/theoretical.html
>>
>>
>>
>> -I got a little feedback but from Russian scholars in other fields
>> (literature mainly)  that I missed the meaning by being too neutral and I
>> needed to get at "growing from one's misery" or another person said
>> "brooding over the bad stuff that happened that makes you who you are" So I
>> want to make sure I capture the struggle.
>>
>>
>>
>> -I am not diving into this now but I am also considering the identify and
>> culture of a local web and how that plays out into how we shapes funds of
>> identity as we create online spaces.
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>>
>> -Finally is applying this lens with adult learners not appropriate? What
>> does it mean when you actively want to tweak the environment of learners to
>> reduce experiencing as struggle and increase experience as contemplation.
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