[Xmca-l] Re: Trying to frame studies of the web through perezhivanie

[Huw Lloyd]

Some notes from my browse through, Greg:

1. An elaboration of what "checkout" pertains to would be useful. I
understand this to be a process akin to withdrawing a book from a library,
but in this case it concerns "withdrawing" a domain, with a play on
"checkout" as "come and see".
2. Presently I do not see any elaboration upon the collaborative audience,
nature of participation or any particular focus. E.g. are you taking the
notion of "checking out" literally, as per file control, in which people
can add to "domains" and then "return" them?
3. It seems to me more attention needs to be given to the motives of your
audience.
4. Contrary to an open-canvas medium, a more focused study on, say, the
deliberate production of fake news might be more rewarding, i.e. applying
some theory about learning processes in particular contexts upfront to
design a particular project. As it stands there is no agreed project, not
even an ostensible one. I assume the idea is that the subscribers come up
with their own. But this puts into question the real substance of
participation and the basis for developmental processes/experiences.

Offering some correction to Andy's distinction of digital and analog,
analog computation entails "circuitry" that may not involve any electronics
at all, and it need not be an abstraction either (other than the sense of
nested wholes). One can attend to the analog within the digital if one
wishes (such as the micro changes of current in a circuit). The deeper view
on digital is to understand it as a distinction (when it is accompanied by
its context) or (without its context) merely a label. Hence the whole
problem with so many social studies that only focus upon words and text (so
called qualitative) rather than action. These are digital - analog problem
too.

Best,
Huw



On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 at 02:47, Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:

> A few comments Greg.
> It seems to me that the web (i.w., www, yes?) is an *artefact *not
> events; each unit is a trace of perezhivaniya not a perezhivaniye as such;
> it is important not to conflate events and artefacts; just as an historian
> has to know that what they see are traces of real events, not the events as
> such. What you do with that evidence is something again.
>
> Just by-the-by, "analog" does not mean "original" or "real"; it means the
> opposite of reality. The terms "digital" and "analog" originate from the
> 1960s when there were two types of computer. Analog computers emulate
> natural processes by representing natural processes in analogous electronic
> circuits based on the calculus. In the end digital computers won an almost
> complete victory, but for example, if I'm not mistaken, the bionic ear uses
> analog computing to achieve real-time coding of speech, or at least it did
> when I knew it in the 1980s.
>
> Andy
> ------------------------------
> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 22/09/2018 12:57 AM, Greg Mcverry wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have been spending time this summer reading up on the concept of
> perezhivanie after our article discussion on identify of funds.
>
> I wanted to share a draft of my theoretical perspectie for feedback.
> Granted due to word count it will probably be reduced to a paragraph or two
> with drive by citations but I am trying to think this through to inform my
> design.
>
> https://checkoutmydomain.glitch.me/theoretical.html
>
> -I got a little feedback but from Russian scholars in other fields
> (literature mainly)  that I missed the meaning by being too neutral and I
> needed to get at "growing from one's misery" or another person said
> "brooding over the bad stuff that happened that makes you who you are" So I
> want to make sure I capture the struggle.
>
> -I am not diving into this now but I am also considering the identify and
> culture of a local web and how that plays out into how we shapes funds of
> identity as we create online spaces.
>
> -Finally is applying this lens with adult learners not appropriate? What
> does it mean when you actively want to tweak the environment of learners to
> reduce experiencing as struggle and increase experience as contemplation.
>
>
>
>
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