[Xmca-l] Re: Kollontai

Thu Oct 25 00:30:37 PDT 2018

Thank you Mike for that affirming and welcoming view. Although I was inclined to doubt that by “stupefaction”  Huw meant or even thought of stupid in its  literal form. Maybe it is because I didn’t expect it.  I struggle to make of what he meant – I tried to dissect the word into its  miniature parts – I found stupa, act, action, faction, I tried prefix, suffix, word root kind of logic, etc. In my quest to engage  with what Huw  probably meant – I was in a way inclined to explore both  qualitative and quantitative way to elicit the depth and breadth of his statement. Well, ultimately Google helped.
S’ma

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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Kollontai

Luria liked to say that the object of scientific research is to see an object from as many sides as possible, an idea that has always applied for me with respect to my own research that affords both kinds of analysis simultaneously.  An example would be in The Psychology of Literacy, where we were tasked with answering the question, "what are the psychological consequences of becoming literate?" Three, arguably four literacies in a single population at a single point in history. Without a year of on the ground ethnography joined in a second year by a use of survey accumulated from a variety of sources, a third year of continued survey collection and conduct of some targeted experimental-psychological-style research motivated by the ethnography and survey results, a fourth year of collecting data based on the idea that in experiments, one should design one's experiment as models of cultural practices, not models of  school-based practices.

Multiple regression on quantifiable data provided a lot of good information about how to dig deeper into what was giving rise to the numbers. And its great having the experience of doing all that
(once) fancy arithmetic because because its so fungible. I ended up thinking of the use of multiple  regression as "hermeneutic regression anlysis. "-)

Now the results and our arguments may seem like so much flim flam today. After all, its ancient history. But in the process of the doing, from thinking about the problem in the first place, to hiring people with the requisite expertise to participate, to designing models of cultural practices, we always found that looking at the phenomena from a number of different perspectives simultaneously a great tool of thought.

At XMCA we may be wrong, but there is not a single stupid person to be found here but a lot of smart people who have something to learn from each other. Something like what we tell our students the first days of lectures:
"There are no dumb questions here."

Right?
mike

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net<mailto:mpacker@cantab.net>> wrote:
I’m not sure what the “it” is, Huw. My way of thinking? My writing?  :)

You’re suggesting, perhaps, that quality is more basic than quantity? Hopefully you’re not reverting to the view that “qualia” are the basic elements of experience?

But I’m just making guesses about what it is you want to communicate. A bit stupefied, it’s true.

Martin

On Oct 24, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com<mailto:huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>> wrote:

It perpetuates a stupefaction. It obscures what quality is.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:40, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net<mailto:mpacker@cantab.net>> wrote:
I don’t think I’d say that there are “qualitative issues,” Huw. The way I think about it, there are simply “issues,” and these can be grasped using a qualitative approach or using a quantitative approach (or both). Although my own writing has been oriented to understanding and explaining qualitative research, I don’t underestimate the power and usefulness of quantitative research. One simply has to know what it is one is counting.

Martin

On Oct 24, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com<mailto:huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, "than". Whoever heard of a good paper that doesn't take qualitative issues as primary?

Huw
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 15:52, Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com<mailto:helenaworthen@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think that was just a typo — “that” for “than.”

H

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On Oct 24, 2018, at 10:46 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu<mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:

 I thought the announcement was completely relevant Elizabeth    There are many fine scholars in this discussion group who could qualify for those awards and letting them know was generous on your part
Just my 2 pence
Mike

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 7:24 AM Dr. Elizabeth Fein <feine@duq.edu<mailto:feine@duq.edu>> wrote:
Hi all - Sorry if that announcement was irrelevant. We're trying to cast a wide net with these awards, reaching scholars who may be doing psychology in a way that may not fall within the APA mainstream but deserves to be recognized within APA. Although I'm writing as a member of the qualitative sub-division, we include both sets of awards out of respect for our division-mates. I'll refrain from sending these in the future.
Best,
Elizabeth

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:16 AM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com<mailto:huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds more on topic that a request for nominations for "qualitative" and "quantitative" methods.

According to this source<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flibcom.org%2Ffiles%2FThe%2520Workers%27%2520Opposition%2520-%2520Alexandra%2520Kollontai.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Cfeine%40duq.edu%7C45e088e131ab41b9a81108d639bb3925%7C12c44311cf844e4195c38df690b1eb61%7C0%7C0%7C636759873622647356&sdata=D2FAuJB7QyA93j6e%2FFyosEctmHut9pFEqabpGZOfPU0%3D&reserved=0> it was first published in Pravda, January 25 1921. There appear to be many Pravda archives available online, affiliated with libraries etc. The New York Public Library appears to have a full archive, although it requires a library card/login for access.

Best,
Huw

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 13:41, Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org<mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:

This is very off-topic, for which I apologise.

Does anyone have access to a copy of Alexandra Kollontai's "The Workers Opposition" in Russian?

Andy

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