[Xmca-l] Fwd: Re: What is science?: Where to start doctoral students?

Fri Nov 2 09:28:22 PDT 2018

I sent the following message off-line to Beth. I'll send it here without
the attachments just in case someone is watching...
They should be publicly accessible.
(and funny that Wagner also happened across the same book that I did,
behold the power of Google!).

Wagner, simple story with ontology, in anthropology at least, is that it
has been pluralized so that people now speak of different ontologies.
Science is just one of them. In many ways this is anti-Marxist since Marx
imagined just one ontology (and science was going to get to the bottom of
it!), but I'd like to think that this move isn't entirely irreconcilable
with all readings of Marx.

-greg

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: What is science?: Where to start doctoral
students?
To: Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>

Beth,

This may be more than you bargained for but Latour has been doing some
interesting thinking/writing on this issue, reported secondarily here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/magazine/bruno-latour-post-truth-philosopher-science.html

I have also attached his essay Why has critique run out of steam? (as well
as the intro from Pandora's Hope "Do you believe in reality?") which was an
early articulation of this particular (re)articulation of his position.

Goodwin's Professional Vision also comes to mind (also attached).

And for kicks, I just googled your question and found this book that really
seems to be a very smart approach:
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=s13tBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=what+is+science%3F&ots=hG7y6xF0gy&sig=DNMs__6vnoZUvXbOelWC8DcL4ns#v=onepage&q=what%20is%20science%3F&f=false

I was thinking of "rigorous storytelling" as one answer to your question. I
googled and found that I've already been outdone - Susan Porter has
"triple-rigorous storytelling" based on her work with food justice. Might
be of interest depending on your students' projects:
https://www.foodsystemsjournal.org/index.php/fsj/article/view/fd-triple

Best of luck!
-greg

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:33 AM Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great. Kuhn and Thinking and Speech are two of the few things on my list
> already and I’ll start reading the other two, sensible or no, now! Thanks
> so much, Beth
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018, Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:
>
>> Beth, much as a part of me would like to recommend the Preface to Hegel's
>> Phenomenology, being sensible I would still recommend:
>>
>>    1. The first chapter of Thinking and Speech
>>    https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/words/ch01.htm
>>    2. Marx's Method of Political Economy
>>    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch01.htm#loc3
>>    3. And they should read Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific
>>    Revolutions
>>
>>    https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/kuhn.htm
>>
>> Who knows? You might be fostering an original thinker?
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------
>> Andy Blunden
>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>> On 1/11/2018 11:43 PM, Beth Ferholt wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:09 AM Beth Ferholt < <bferholt@gmail.com>
>> bferholt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm starting to take the role of advisor on doctoral dissertations and
>>>>>> wonder how best to begin to discuss "what is science?" with students who
>>>>>> will need to respond concisely when asked about the rigor and reliability
>>>>>> of their formative intervention, narrative and/or autobiographical studies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for an overview or paper that does more than argue the
>>>>>> value of one approach -- something to start them off thinking about the
>>>>>> issues, not immerse them in one perspective quite yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not an overview then maybe a paper that contextualizes "rigor" and
>>>>>> "reliability".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously this is an endless topic but do some people reading XMCA
>>>>>> have some favorite papers that they give to their advisees or use when they
>>>>>> teach a methods class?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Beth Ferholt
>>>>>> Associate Professor, Department of Early Childhood and Art Education;
>>>>>> Affiliated Faculty, CUNY Graduate Center
>>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2900+Bedford+Avenue+Brooklyn,+NY+11210&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2900+Bedford+Avenue+Brooklyn,+NY+11210&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>> -2889
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email: <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
>>>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
>>>>>> Fax: (718) 951-4816
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
> --
> Beth Ferholt
> Associate Professor, Department of Early Childhood and Art Education;
> Affiliated Faculty, CUNY Graduate Center
> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
>
> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
> Phone: (718) 951-5205
> Fax: (718) 951-4816
>
>

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Department of Anthropology
880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
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